Do you believe in liberty or death?

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Can't i believe in both?

 

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Liberty's worth fight for.

 

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You're thinking of nationalism, not patriotism. Besides, what alternative to freedom do you want?

 

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wtf? could you be more incoherent? have you tried a dictionary lately?
try the section under L!!! for liberty!

 

well i want him locked up to! are you saying that your not a silver spooned neocunt that wants instant gratification? do you think that you are the only one that wants to bring back the age of basic HUMAN RIGHTS? not that has ever realy existed, but the whole attitude of your past few posts give the impression that you alone! understand liberty and freedom, i suggest you are not the only one or the first! but one of the most spoiled.

 

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^^ a true amarican hero!!

 

Are those our only choices?

 

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What liberty, whose death?

The Iraqis were ‘liberated’ from a dictatorial regime and to me a hell of a lot of them died unnecessarily.

Was the one worth the other?

I was a long time campaigner against the Saddam regime (even when he was a friend of the US) and wanted the regime gone. But I was against the US led ‘liberation’ because I didn’t think the neo-cons that were calling for the invasion were doing it for the Iraqis, they were doing it purely for what they saw as US interests.

So I don’t think the Iraqi or American deaths were worth the liberty they supposedly bought.

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“retarded money grabbing dictators like Bush as president”

But he wasn’t a dictator, and to dismiss him as such it to miss the point and not to learn the lesson.

The American people voted into power the neo-con faction of Republicanism (of which Bush was the willing pawn) at least once and technically twice.

He may now be one of the most disliked Presidents in polling history, mainly on the back of the failure in Iraq, but what if?

But what if the Iraq adventure had gone the way of the neo-con fantasists (puppet government set up in Baghdad, control over Iraqi oil and gas, permanent US military bases in the country, etc)?

Remember this war was going to be a ‘cake walk’ which was going to ‘pay for it self’ with the only contracts being handed out going to American companies.

It was a war with supposedly noble goals but there was always a wink and a nod to the world’s second largest reserves of oil.

To me a lot of the anger being directed at Bush is about that dividend not arriving, they’re pissed off because the US has had to spend money rather than make it.

But what if the money had rolled in?

Well I think Bush would be one of the most popular President’s in polling history and another neo-con, possibly another Bush, would be a shoe in for next President.

My point being that many American’s attitudes haven’t changed they are just lashing out at someone that failed them, they don’t actually think the policy was wrong they just think it was badly executed and therefore a disappointing failure.

Have those Americans stopped having right wing views or believing their interests outweigh all other peoples concerns?

I don’t think so.

And that’s the problem.

 

higherthanhell-

are you high all the time? You can't even tell when people are on your side man. All you are doing is spitting anger and jibberish.


Balbus-

agreed, I't would be easier if he was a dictator, cause then it would be just the one man and his thugs that we needed to counter instead of an entire nation, our nation's, zeitgeist...

That oil issue is going to drive it even further. Iran and Pakistan are in deep trouble i fear.

 

For those of you having a little trouble of with what im saying, the option is either you believe in it or not. I'm not saying liberty or death as they were opposing choices. I'm saying do you believe in the concept of "liberty or death"... i.e: do you feel as though you would rather be dead than be stricken of your freedom as a human being.

 

As to the ‘silverspoon’ taunt, the whole US system and especially the political parts are overly influenced by the wealthy establishment.

“The preferences of privilege are non-partisan,- They ensure each fresh generation of upper-class families - regardless of intelligence or academic qualifications - access to the premier college whose alumni hold disproportionate sway on Wall Street and in Fortune 500 companies, the media, Congress and the judiciary."
The Price of Admission by Wall Street Journalist Daniel Golden

The thing is are Americans more interested in ‘liberty’ or the hope of making or holding onto money?

I mean there has always been a bias in favour of wealth from the very beginning, Thomas Paine may have been the idealism but the rules were set by the gentlemen of property who had control of government.

Since then they have promoted their own interests and always tried to suppress those that might fundamentally curtail them. As I’ve noted at length, there was little thought of liberty and freedom when it has come to the suppression of socialists and the thing is that the vast majority of Americans accepted, favoured or actively join in the harassment and repression.


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If i were to comment on someones spelling, i would make Damn sure i used spell checker, lmfao.

Didn't you notice the red lines under every other word?

 

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Are you really this ignorant ?