So today we watched the "The Unicorn and the Wasp" - the latest Dr. Who episode to air in our area on SciFi Channel. warning tiny spoilers ahead When the car came up the drive, i had an inkling. When we met Agatha it grew stronger. As soon as I saw the wasp reflection near the beginning I knew I had seen the episode before. This has happened to me before, but I generally become hmm. not quite agitated but my energy definitely shifts. Soon after this happens my awareness of the future memories starts to wane. This time was different and I believe that thanks to a discussion I had with jrnyman I was able to just be and stay in a state of peace and happiness while this was occurring. Throughout the entire episode I knew what was going to happen, exactly as if I had seen it before but some time ago (like 6 months?). I knew all the major plot points and a lot of miscellaneous action sequences, character dynamics etc. In fact, several times at non-obvious stages I told my wife what was just about to happen. She asked me towards the end how I knew and i truthfully said I had seen it before. She said - "But It's New!" I said, "I know." Then she asked if I had seen it last night after she went to bed. I hadn't and told her so. In fact, I had to check the episode guide today to make sure that it wasn't an older show. Or perhaps I sleep walked in the middle of the night and sneaked down to see it, retaining no memory of the event, just of the episode. Uh huh. We also don't watch previews and besides, previews don't cover an entire 50 minute show. This was generally different than what I usually experience as deja vu. I have a fair to middlin number of those and this was qualitatively and quantitatively different. Those experiences are usually short (no more than a few minutes) and somehow felt very different than this. Maybe because the usual dissonance I have had between "knowing" that it never happened before and the memory that I had experienced it before was gone. I have to wonder at the outward trivial nature of the experience. A tv show. That's pretty funny. A mostly passive interaction (except in this case I was pretty engaged in the meta-experience of time) requiring few hard choices - my "spoilers" were basically spontaneous not planned. I don't know. Now that I think of it though - what better way to teach yourself about time than Dr. Who! Just thought I'd share.
I guess this can come under the ballpark description.. 'knowing'. A similar thing happened to me with small bits of the film 'Leon', where i'm saying "yeah he's gonna do that and that will happen, and she'll do that" ...ect. However some plots are rather predictable. - If an idea can come from one's imagination, then it can come from others aswell and it's as if we can be 'led' by a plot which allows us to participate and make predictions about it. But your experience seems more like "I've seen this before." and "I KNOW DEFINITELY what going to happen." I had a similar experience some years ago playing the PC role playing game 'Fallout 2' ... it came to point in the story where i had to find a particular grave in a graveyard and dig it up, and upon entering the graveyard map I just KNEW DEFINITELY where the particular grave was and went directly to it and dug it up. How did i know? I'd never played the game before? It makes me wonder if i'm repeating my life over and over again doing exactly the same things ... other instances of 'pregognition' in my life also point me towards thinking this. It's very wierd! I've read that in the creation of our world ... our reality, thoughts are made form in the causal plane and filter down through the energetic planes to be finally made wholly manifest in our physical, waking reality, yet because we are 'multi dimensional beings' ..existing on all planes, a part of us we may not be aware of sees it coming before it gets here, it's already happened on the more subtle planes and at some point, you become concious of it's happening. It could point towards a future self thats already done it, seen it, been there, yet our present self hasn't, however our present and future selves are one so when we expand in awareness and our view becomes greater we start to 'remember the future' ...things that were unconcious become concious. Things we've done only once we experience as having done before because we keep foretting and remembering, slipping between conciousness and unconciousness. Real time is timeless and linear time is a mental construct. Anyway just some fragmented thoughts ...this is doing my head in! Anyone else?
How was the quality different? Was it just your present awareness and acceptance that made it so? I have had many cases of such 'trivial' subject matter during deja`vu. Watching T.V., movies, reading books, doing crosswords, playing video games... you name it. I believe everyone has a natural tendency to wander their own timeline, past, future and possible future while dreaming/astral traveling. I've had deja`vu last for weeks, which was really freaky the first time for it got to the point of deadly boredom! I also learned very quickly to keep my mouth shut when it happens for long periods of time, lest I be burned at the stake! (Humans are scared creatures) Do you get any physical sensations when your energy shifts during these experiences? For me it seems that the longer the reliving will be the more intense my physical sensations, mental and spiritual shifts are. Some of them feel like an explosion, in which usually a spontaneous OBE or kundalini eruption follows. Others feel like I've been shifted into a whole other dimension all together wit feelings of being pulled and stretched from one to another. Kinda' like taking an under filled water balloon and forcing it through a short tube, pipe or hole smaller than its diameter and having it pop out the other side undamaged. Again; physical, mental and spiritual sensations in my case. These, of course, are the beginnings of prolonged deja`vu for me(among other experiences that occur). With the shorter ones I usually just get either a tingle atop my head(kundalini 'escaping' through my crown chakra) or it feels like I've stepped to one side rather quickly, when I haven't moved at all. Also, I find your timeframe from dream to occurrence of deja`vu interesting. Much of my experiences that were of any considerable length or of particular importance happen 6 months after I have 'dreamed' them. Whereas the shot, glimpses, after anywhere from two weeks to the night before. Though, there's always exceptions... It sure is a shame that sci/fi channel is three episodes behind... I don't understand why they can't air at the same time. ---------------- Now playing: Tetsu Inoue - Holy Dance
Yeah, it wasn't just the plot. The bit players were all familiar, like I had seen them in the role before. As I said - just as if I had seen it maybe 6 months ago. There are physics theories that from the outside view, time is just like space, in that the whole of it is static. I don't know about that. I tend to believe that there are at least inflection points where our choices can make major differences. Perhaps what you'd see is a series of branching structures and you could imagine the thickness of the branch to be the probability of the decisions that would lead to it. In that type of view, if we are beings that exist simultaneously above and below the time-line that could explain it. It's interesting to think about, anyway. The quality was different hmm. Generally deja vu for me becomes unsustainable. My awareness seems to be caught like between two parallel mirrors of infinite regression. If you've never done it before, please get two largish mirrors, have one stationary and get behind the other one and look over the top. Then position the mirror you are holding in front of the other one, angle it around looking into the other mirror until -. Kind of a vertigo but instead my processes become mushy, a kind of a swirl like instead of both mirrors being stationary, one was in a rotating frame of reference, and there is a delay between each successive frame. I don't know if i'm explaining it very well. This was different, like instead of an uncontrolled feedback loop there was a PID in the loop. Like the loop had been grounded instead of left to escalate. It's entirely possible that since the way I approached the experience was significantly different I didn't get my ego pinched in the loop trying to fold in ways it really shouldn't.
I might add that i think the screenwriters for Dr Who seem to be a talented bunch. Mutch of the content seems very original and creative,... a couple of episodes have had me thinking about things before now as if like a mirror for the unconcious, mirroring the myths that play out within us sometimes ...perhaps why they grab our attention? Perhaps you dreamed it before hand, perhaps you were in it?
So I had a dream last night that seems to dovetail with this thread. I'm doing the analysis of that here, as it seems to fit. This won't really make sense unless you read that first. It's like my deep conscious was either trying to explain to me how this might work or was actively fueled by this conversation. Either way it's neat! Both episodes seem to be very similar, like we have recurring patterns with different details. Bending down into the vending machine, bending down to the floor. Empty shoes, missed bus (which was a cycle in itself - happened twice). Time. The involuntary movement around the room in each case is like the branches with inflection points where we get to choose and the circular motion directly points to the spin I alluded to above. In each case I decided to do something twice. In the second part, the text was "echoecho" very similar to deja vu and the concept of feedback in my mind, except that with an echo of an echo the intensity is lessened at each echo unless additional power is fed into the system at the correct timing. And the part where I had to shift my focus to read the whole message ties directly shifting the mirror about that I mentioned previously. I have to wonder at the glittering black shoes, though. I really don't know what to make of those. It seems after re-reading that they might have been attempting to coalesce on my feet as I walked around the library - the beads were drawn to my bare feet. When I was writing the dream down in my journal (at 3:20 ) when I got to the part about the shoes my mind said "It's just a jump to the left..." like if I jumped into the shoes, something might happen. Haven't seen that movie in years, but the Time Warp lives on in my brain. I can't really explain why I found them foreboding except for how black and glinting at the highlights they were. Near term. Hmm. My goodness, there you go. My deep conscious seems to be paying attention to Hip Forums.
I agree the new Dr. Who has some really good scripts sometimes and deal with a variety of questions and metaphysical issues if one wants to take them that way.
