Feminism?

dont get me wrong, I'm all for feminism - to an extent. i personally think its wrong that women dont get equal pay, or get descriminated against, and whatnot, and i think that one of the worst things about america is that some one who murders someone will be put in jail for life, whereas someone who committs rape (man, woman, anything) will get away with only a few decades or less... but I saw something the other day. some one spelled woman with a y. with a fucking Y. wow.

also, i'm pretty sure that the majority of feminists are not really how they are portraied in the media, but there have to be some out there like it... yeah, but when feminism comes to hating men, i think you've gone too far.

sure, i know im over reacting, but hell, thats what the internet is for, right? voicing your opinions that (people that do or) dont care about.

feed back?

 

For every group of people you have extremists. Be it feminists, animal activists, religious organizations, etc.

 

Sorry to hear about your bad feelings toward feminism. You must have really been exposed to some extremists. Feminism isn't about hate it's about equality. Unfortunately, society has used female sexuality in ways that has caused women harm and promoted violence against women.

I hope that at some time in your high school or college years you will get an opportunity to meet with real feminists. It doesn't have to be about hate.

peace & light

 

Well, you said it yourself:

The majority of feminists are not like the ones portrayed in the media (assuming you're referring to the "feminazi" stereotype), just like the majority of people in Arkansas do not actually marry thier first cousin . Yeah, some spell woman "womyn" or "wimmin", just like some hippies refer to their "phriends" and "phamily". What's the big deal? It's a statement for the individual & for the subset of society that knows what that statement is (I had never heard the explanation of womyn mentioned above, for example, so I wouldn't be part of the subset for whom that is meaningful).

I get what you're saying, & I agree that hating all men is wrong, just like hating any racial group is wrong, just like hating homosexuals is wrong, just like men hating all women is wrong, etc., etc., etc. Keep in mind, tho, the stereotype that jumps to many women's minds about a male that complains about feminism going too far... You're obviously aware of it, since your first paragraph was all about how you don't fit that stereotype...

 

No offense, but your profile says you are 13. If most of the feminists you know are close to your age, or even 15 or 16, chances are they are taking it to the extreme as a part of establishing their own identities, setting themselves apart from their parents. Many people, when they are just learning about something of a large scope (like feminism), tend to jump in headfirst before really taking the time to get a solid grasp on what it is they are getting into. Honestly, I went thru a phase like that myself. The more they come to understand what real feminism is really about, the less extreme & defensive they will need to be.

And, frankly, there is still a large degree of covert sexism (and racism) in our society & in the media. They may go overboard in pointing out examples that are not really solid examples, but patriarchal values are reinforced regularly in ways that are not obvious.

And, finally, are you sure that all of the feminists you know are like this? Or are these the only ones of all the feminists you know who blatantly announce to the world their stance? (In other words, are you sure that you don't know some feminists who just don't make a huge display of being feminists, so you wouldn't know unless you asked?) Not all feminists wear a big bright label marking ourselves, many of us put more energy into efforts toward overall equality, not limiting ourselves to only working for gender equality. And, many of us are too busy putting food on the table & keeping a roof over our heads to do much of anything in that effort.

 

yeah -like others have said, many 'feminists' of today are equalists rather than man hating stereotypes. Just because feminism may teach you that you don't need a man to take of you, to make you life complete doesn't mean you have to hate them. I personaly think it's more aout mutual repect and equal opportunities than one group being dominant.

However, balanced opinions that endorse plain ol' equality don't create that much controversy and therefore don't sell as much as the media versions of feminists - who are either these angry, men hating, scary women or else they endorse 'girl power' (which is a joke: since when was wearing mini skirts and doing high kicks at the camera while having the world admire your tight arse the pinnacle of feminism/equality?)

 

Just curious, would you not consider murder a worse crime than rape?

 

I am a walking contradiction, in every way.
But to remain on topic, I could be called a feminist, I think I should be able to have my own opinion separate from my partners. I think I should have the freedom that any man does. I dont' think I should have to walk two steps behind any man.
On the other hand, I would never want to be with a man who made less money than I did, or who didn't work at all. I think the man should be the primary provider and the one who generally handles the "man's work", just as I would do the "woman's work"..But each should be willing to help the other. The problem with most relationships is that there is too much control and dishonesty. Two people need to share a common goal, the same values. You must share equally in everything yet understand that there are differences. I suppose that may be why I have never been married, alot of men want the perks but not the responsiblity, or they want to control what can not be controlled. Female power is a force to be recconed** with, and a pleasure to be cherished. I don't think I could spend the rest of my life with a woman( thinking about sex now...hmmmmm penis) but I have given it a shot.
(woohooo, can't concentrate now..uh..gotta go)


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later...A.

 

interesting....

 

Like I said, a walking contradiction... let me try to clarify.. by saying I would never date a man who made less money than I did, that simply is a means of weeding out those who are not responsible enough for an adult relationship.
At the same time I can have sex with a man who doesn't have a job , for the sake of sex and getting my rocks off.
If I am wrong in assuming that an irresponsible man does not have a job adn is not worthy of my time, please correct me. I would love to have that perfect relationship I ahve searched my whole life for, maybe I could make an exception on the $$ thing. This person would ahve to prove himself a VERY incredible man!!

 

I personally don't think that the amount of money one earns reflects their level of responsibility. My husband works his ass off, is a good father, and a good man. He doesn't make shit for money. When I graduate college in the spring, I'll be making 3-4 times as much as he does. I could honestly care less. We're not money-oriented people, so it doesn't matter.


As far as woman's work and man's work-we don't really do that either. We do what we are better at. Tim is better at cooking-so he cooks. I LOVE to mow the grass-so I do that. I do laundry better, he keeps the refridgerator clean. We don't keep score and we don't fight over who does what. Neither one of us are clean freaks, so we don't stress when the house gets messy. It's all about creating a balance and adjusting as you go.

 

HELP!! FEMINISM THREAD!! *runs away screaming*

 

I'm sorry for my assumption, then. I knew far more extremists of various types when I was a teenager. Now, I'm in college, most of my friends & associates are 22-35. I really only know one person who is an overboard feminist, she's in her early 30s. The rest of us just see it as another aspect of her personality, as she tends to go overboard about a LOT of stuff.

Still, your mom & her friends do not represent all feminists.

 

cant really compare them, they are both pretty equal in my oppinion, but concidering ive never been raped or murdered, well, rape has ruined all sorts of folk's lives, social withdrawel, mistrust (both of which affect the people around you), the fact that you experienced it... where as murder will also affect the people around you, and you are gone, but yeah, rape should be life in prison also. no fucking way anyone who's ever done something as inhuman as that should be roaming the streets.

 

1) Why would you care if some one does this?

2)What does this have to do with rape or murder?

3)Why do you think this had ANYTHING to do with "hating men?"

EDUCATE YOURSELF. Okay?

 

i wouldnt go as far as saying its hateful towards men, its just inaccurate etymologically

" Traditionally, many writers have used man and words derived from it to designate any or all of the human race regardless of sex. In fact, this is the oldest use of the word. In Old English the principal sense of man was “a human,” and the words wer and wyf (or wæpman and wifman) were used to refer to “a male human” and “a female human” respectively. But in Middle English man displaced wer as the term for “a male human,” while wyfman (which evolved into present-day woman) was retained for “a female human.” Despite this change, man continued to carry its original sense of “a human” as well, resulting in an asymmetrical arrangement that many criticize as sexist."

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=man

its just like herstory, from the latin historia, it has nothing to do with sex.

It only shows insecurity and factual ignorance.