Meat Products: Purchase VS. Hunt!

I think that people should hunt, or raise their own meat instead of buy it. That would help the environment and animals would probably be treated alot better...For the people in the city, they should buy from local butchers.

 

I don't think that's the solution, unless there's some good guidelines to be followed and checked. A lot of people tend to treaten their livestock not as good as they think they would. But it could be better for the environment than all this mass-bio-industry.
Since most people are too lazy to hunt or keep their own animals it could lead to more vegetarians if they won't be able to buy it anymore. :tongue: Uh, of course they could go to their neighbours for some fresh meat. Or should that be controlled too? Don't know if that works...

 

Overhunting is as bad for the environment as factory farms.

The problem doesn't come down to excess meat eating but excessive urbanization, which is a problem much harder to cure.

 

The world is overpopulated and new foods need to be designed-Our farmlands are now Walmarts and malls-There are more grass farms then vegetable-People will eat canned food as long as they have a nice looking yard out front-go figure-

 

The world isn't overpopulated, per se. World hunger is caused by poor distribution rather than an actual shortage.

 

Yes it is-per se-Not so much here in this country but check out the people vs. land mass in other countries around the world-The population in China and India is what?-how many people per square mile-Have you ever been to Manhatten?-people are bumper to bumper-the food supp;lies world wide are dwindeling as we lose more land to development-Farming is a money losing business and we as humans are dumb to think anyone would continue to work in the dirt 12 hours a day for peanuts and a promise of a better tommorro-Farmers are the life blood of the world and they should be paid millions to keep food on our tables-Without them were fucked!-

 

Look at the stats. Enough food is currently produced to feed everyone in the world - they just don't get it.

 

i hate the fact that animals are bread and raised just to be slaughtered and eaten by us humans. i think it's a huge age of being lazy on our part. i never used to support hunting, but these days i find it a lot more humane than just raising an animal to kill it. at least animals in the wild get to have a life and be free until a person comes and takes it for food. i am not a vegetarian, i eat meat, and i am not against people and any of their eating styles (except the very annoying and hypocritical, closed-minded people). i have considered and tried to be a vegetarian, but i've failed. i think it is natural for a human to eat both meat and veges, but raising an animal just for the purpose of killing and eating it is wrong. but i'm pretty hypocritical about this; complaining, yet still eating meat sold in grocery stores. eh. i'm just saying what's on my brain.

 

Hm, not sure. What if you'd make sure your animals have a life similar as in their natural environment (while it lasts, of course, just like in nature)?

 

I still find it interesting that folks who wouldn't suggest you go into the woods and kill trees for wood, will suggest you go into the woods and kill animals for meat.

I wonder how many folks here who advocate hunting, live in the woods. I do. My little farm (mostly woods) is surrounded by woods and orchards. During all the hunting seasons it's like living in a shooting gallery.

I am a small farmer, doing the whole back to the land, self-supporting farm thing for many years. Being a small farmer means, among other things, that I have to operate in how-things-really-are land, not how-I-wish-things-were land. Or as some folks refer to it; reality land, not fantasy land. And the reality is that hunting to feed the masses just won't work. I don't know how many non-meat eaters there are in the USA, let's say 100,000,000 (I'm sure it's less). That means over 200,000,000 meat eaters. Let's say one serving per day (I'm sure it's more). That's 1,400,000,000 servings of meat per week, just in the US. Do you really think the woods will provide that? 52 weeks per year? Ya'll can bad mouth farmers who raise livestock all you want, but it just won't work any other way.

As far as world hunger, population size and amount of land area goes. What matters is "arable" [ http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=arable ] land area, and that is decreasing. But an even more pressing problem is clean water.

Peace,
poor_old_dad

 

Well I have to think the really strict gun laws make it hard for most people to actually have a gun and go hunting.

 

Good point POD- In a perfect world; everyone could just go kill for dinner. The Native Americans did just that and they kept the buffalo from being wiped out. Well; we know the rest of that story.This world would be shooting itself in the foot today if it had to go out and kill to eat!-It would be a bloodbath of epic proportions of people doing Dick Cheneys on each other!. We need the ranchers and the farmers to feed us.Idon't know how much land it requires to feed a family of 5 but I'm sure it would be quite a bit if were talking about eating meat. Animals require room to move. In a perfect world we would also leave alone any animals that are close to going the way of the buffalo' yet Iceland and others are continuing the slaughter of whales for no good reason. If I lived where you do and I was low on money and it was hunting season I would have no problem getting a deer from time to time. It's the trophy hunters that I don't like. As we were coming home from the Oregon coast Saturday; we stopped at a rest area to see about 12 big ELK some with horns. They were right up in the rest area grazing. The girls walked up to within 5 feet before the Elk stepped back. I got great pictures I will put in my gallery soon. Big beautiful Oregon mountains in the background. real nice. And believe it or not they did not make me hungry!-You know how to manage your land and if the rest of the world could do the same we may have enough food for awhile. It should be against the law to turn farmland into malls or office buildings etc.It's a form of suicide-Try munchin out on a pc or a copy machine for lunch-lolThe

 

It's a good thought, since I'm going to be a future organic farmer........ but, what most people don't realize is that 72% of Wheat, Corn, Rice, Oats, and other crops grown in the United States are used for livestock consumption. Only 11% is fed to humans directly. If all these crops where consumed directly by humans, it would nourish five times as many people as it does after it is converted into meat, milk, and eggs. Which is a pretty amazing feat.
All I'm saying is, that we have the farm land, but we simply are not taking advantage of it.

 

The arguments of pesticide-soaked soybeans versus cattle versus wild elk are wearisome to me. The main problems with buying meat wrapped in plastic in the supermarket are that you don't have to leave at dawn with knives, bone saws, ropes, and packhorses, and when you get home, you're not cold, tired, sore, and bloody.

 

if it is hunting season, than i think getting your limit is fine. first of all, the quality and taste of the meat is far better than anything you could buy in a store, and secondly, if you get an animal yourself, you can make sure it is used with respect. salvage all you can, and use use the rest for other stuff. respecting animals is important, killing shouldn't be done for sport however i do think it is ok to kill an animal if you are going to use it properly. it is the natural order of things.

 

I love how some people equate all farming with commercial factory farming.

If you raise an animal and treat it well (according to your standards, not the animals to the people who were going on about whether or not cows recognize respect), and make sure it doesn't suffer, there is nothing wrong with eating it. But thats a subjective thing to each person.

I view hunting (for food and side products), and raising animals on your own to be pretty much equal. As in, in terms of quality of meat, except for the possibility of getting a sick animal when hunting (when you raise them you know if they are sick), they are about the same, unless you are speaking of commercial factory farms. Which I point out has to be the silliest point of reference for people in this form to be using for their talking points...

quick check... how many of you own factory farms? I'll just pretend I did wait for an answer and guess that the answer is zero...

On another note....

Whichever path a person takes, it should be about respect... not only respect for the animals, but also the choices of other people.

For you vegans who attack non-vegans, shut the fuck up before I ignore YOUR choices in life and shove a hamburger down your throat...

For you non-vegans who attack vegans, same goes, but it will be a tofu burger.

I always get annoyed when people say things that make it clear that only their opinion should be respected. We are all individuals (or should be)... live and let live... Give others the same respect you wish in return...

 

i knew this guy, he, well, he made a spear and tried to kill a cow

 

yes, live and let live, unless you raised that living thing... then you can kill it...???

hypocritical?

 

We raised cows growing up, and since Ive been veg Ive cried to think about how much I took care of those cows that just became someones dinner. Most of my early memories involve those cows and I was to young to even realize I was eating them. Its kinda of sick really.

 

It's only right if you use every part of the animal that you possibly can, otherwise that animal died and didn't live up to it's potential, by killing something you have a responsibility to make sure it's whole body is used.