The Supreme Court endorses the personal right to own guns.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by The Scribe, Jun 27, 2008.

  1. Astrolog

    Astrolog Member

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    in more primitive populations like for example in USA people wants to have a gun as there is still a risk to ... i don't fcuken what ?? HA ha ha INVASION FROM MARS he he :)

    But here in Europe there is high culture and we don't need any unexpected accidents like those happening in Russia for example. So...

    We don't keep guns in the houses nor on the streets :) This is more safe.

    Switzerland in other story, they are totally neutral. They don't have army even and they have Austrian as a neighbours.

    So - we Europeans are disgusted with this 'cowboy's' low - such a primitives are those Americans are. They are giving bad example to our children with their habits.

    (Not talking about influence on Venezuelan, Chinese (they love your brutal movies), Muslims and all those who also love violence.

    Cheers
     
  2. shellebelle

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    What's wrong with having guns if you use them responsibly? I for one enjoy target shooting with my husband and kids. When our guns are not in use, they are kept unloaded and locked in a gun cabinet.
    Also, hunting is important in wild game management, as it controls the population. If people didn't hunt deer, for example, there would be so many deer that many would starve and disease would run rampant in them. Inbreeding and diseases would decrease the quality of the deer herd. Also many more crops would be damaged, and deer-car accidents would cause many fatalities (for BOTH people and deer). Deer have a BETTER, healthier, happier life when the population is controlled by hunting. (well maybe not the deer that gets shot, but you know, the rest of em....hehe)
     
  3. Astrolog

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    Jesus woman what you talking about?? Shooting outside? Do you know how many accidents there is with such happy shooting? And this makes you and your family a pleasure? And maybe you will call hunting a sport? Do you really have nothing to eat in the shops? Really I found in Chicago very good shops, even in villages...
    What you made with killed animal? Did you put its bloody skin off? I made this once myself for a skin on a drum. It is hard work and smelly. I'm really sorry. You must have terrible conditions of life. Do you have many bandits in the area?
    And you will hang dead head on your wall like in old-grandpa style nasty restaurants? Fuj...
     
  4. Astrolog

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    Have trust in Europe and be alien country - Europe will now going to bloom - all United Nations will bring the good future. Just do not mess with army, economic expansion and take care about social relations. Not it is a passive time for US so try to take that with respect and self honour, you will never have that bad as it was after war in Europe.
    Just try to learn respect to yourself. By the way - guns in people hands do not bring trust and brotherhood (I mean selfrespect). This is a people agreement. And police was created in civilian defence purpose so holding a gun is their response. If you don't have a trust in police - change the government! Thats Democracy right?
     
  5. polecat

    polecat Weerd

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    Heh, someone thinks that we live in a democracy! Come on man. How can you trust someone to create or maintain a government when you can't trust them to be responsible with a firearm?

    And don't give me all this crap about Europe being oh so much more cultured because you all don't feel the need to have guns. Yeah, you can have accidents with firearms, same thing with cars, alcohol, gasoline, cleaning detergent, gas lines, cooking knives, and the list goes on. Get real man, America has culture of private gun ownership. Europe has a drinking culture as well. Boozing surely kills more Europeans than guns kill Americans. Maybe you should outlaw that too...in the name of a higher culture of course.

    And saying that you'd rather eat some animal that was frozen, packaged, and then shipped 1,500 miles as opposed to the food that you created yourself is just ridiculous. Do you have a garden? It's the same philosophy.
     
  6. shellebelle

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    We make the deer meat into steaks and sausage. We also fish and eat those, too, the ones that are big enough. I am kind of into this nature thing...I like hunting for wild fruit, mushrooms, vegetables, etc, too. It's not that we don't eat beef, pork, and chickens, too. I am actually wanting to get some chickens, for both eggs and meat. And one of our cattle we butchered, we saved the hide and had it tanned. It's a beautiful rug now.
    I love to garden. We have tomatoes, squash, cucumbers, peppers; I'm needing to plant some radishes. I use these things when I cook, because I know they are better tasting and safer.
    I don't really my hobbies are a reflection on my character. I really don't see anything wrong with it. I agree with the above, I don't see where people in other countries are so much better. I mean, I play by the stupid rules...went to college, have a job, etc. I deserve to be able to do things I enjoy in my spare time.
    I also believe you have a right to defend yourself when some freak comes in your house. If someone came in my house and seriously threatened my family or friends, I don't know if I could actually kill them (I'd hope so), but I'm sure I could point a gun at them and tell them to get the hell out.
     
  7. phen0m

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    I got what I need nephew.
     
  8. jneil

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    You must live in or near a city.
     
  9. shellebelle

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    Oh yea, forgot. We have a deer head hanging in our basement. It's freaking sweet! :)
     
  10. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Inalienable or is it unalienable, and legally what's the diffence?

    http://uarf.us/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4

    Since we have been granted these as unalienable in Declaration of Independence, no one can take them away from us, even the Supreme Court. They can not be sold or tranferred even with our permission. But the rights mentioned in the Declaration were life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not gun ownership.

    Trouble is nowhere in the Constitution or Bill of Rights does it state that any rights are unalienable. Article II only says it shall not be infringed.

    Go back and look at the Constitution, I did for the first time in years. It's basically a business plan outlining who does what. Time we stopped confusing the Declaration of Independence with the true operating law of the land. Lot's of wiggle room in which the legal minds can find loopholes.

    http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/bdsdcc:@field(DOCID+@lit(bdsdccc0801))
     
  11. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    *coughs*

    What purpose does a handgun serve for a civilian besides a false sense of security?
     
  12. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    And uhhhh... I have yet to see a baby born with a gun in their hands.
     
  13. Lobo

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    I'm not at all sure what that has to do with anything. I've yet to see a baby born with a bicycle in their hands, or a camera, or a set of paints, or hiking boots. So what?
     
  14. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    So... is it a baby's inalienable right to have a pair of hiking boots or a gun?

    I fail to see how it can be considered an 'inalienable' right. Just because some white aristocrats who wanted more power and control hundreds of years ago wrote it on a piece of paper that the people of America have some kind of right to bear arms, does not an inalienable right make.

    That is my point in case you missed the mark. Thanks for coming out.
     
  15. Lobo

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    Thank you. You didn't mention "inalienable rights" in your post, so I thought you were continuing from your previous comment where you were questioning the purpose of owning a gun.

    I don't believe I have a 'need' to own a gun, any more than I have a 'need' to own the other things I mentioned. I do however, own two guns and enjoy target shooting with them. And the constitution, written by white aristocrats though it may have been, is still the supreme law of the land and it protects my right to do so.

    I'm sorry if that bothers you.
     
  16. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    It only bothers me because I find it to be a rather senseless law and I question the reason for the 'supreme law of the land' that thinks it knows how to protect your supposed rights to begin with.
     
  17. Zorba The Grape

    Zorba The Grape Gavagai?

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    You're right, it would probably be better if we didn't have any guaranteed rights.
     
  18. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Don't worry, the Constitution was thrown out the window long ago.
     
  19. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    Ah, how refreshing to see the use of the royal 'we' from a fellow Canuckistanian.
     
  20. jneil

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    It beats relying on the police to protect you.
     

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