Geopolitics and the age of consumerism

Will there ever be another global conflict?

i think not.

Occam

 

soz there was delay second thread is better worded. please delete this
'darell'?

occam

 

So you deleted my response?

 

Oh poop did i.. i dont know..

could you redo it.. sorry matey, id really like to hear your view.
[ jesus how australian am i ..'matey'..next thing ill be juggling cricket balls]

i cant actually delete any other persons post... not a function of hip..
if it were,, id have no posts on hip lol.

occam

 

I guess you double posted up in America Attacks. I think it belongs down here. What I said was I thought we were on the brink of WWIII. With all the threats and preparation for war with Iran. And oil was the cause, the topic couldn't be more apropro.

And I think we should discuss just who's profitted from it. Just a few: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Powell, not to mention their company affiliations and friends. Why not ask them before they expand this war, just what they've done for us. We now have to buy converter boxes to watch tv, but try finding one before your coupon runs out, this benefits Powell and his son over saw the sale of the analog air waves. Wolfowitz was made president of the world bank and would still be there if he hadn't paid off his girlfriend. Rumsfeld and his bird flu friends were written into the SPP. Cheney has Haliburton and subsidaries. Rice keeps her interests pretty secretive, but a woman that had an oil tanker named after her is sure to be profitting. Bush, well his family owns stock in all the companies that are now reaping record profits. And he's situated to further his profits from commodizing water in South America.

 

Gardener

Powell. I didnt think he was a player any more..
the news you bring me is of much interest
And the rest of the gang of 10 [lol] At least china was sophisticated enough to only have 4.

look at it this way.. American dynasty
There is only one. bushes own 12 0f 20 years of presidency
father and son are presidents for 12 0f 20 from 1988 to 2008

with golden boy clinton in middle who DID nothing.

Before clinton..war.. after war.
When hilary is president the west will rock...boom.
out comes the sharp end of the stik
Allah help the ragheads..lol
B2's over Tehran. Abrams churning the dirt in abadan.
Given free licence. The US military will sweep away all opposition
that is what it does. that is all it does. [sic terminator]

occam

 

Occam, are you a mod on another forum?


x

 

There will be global conflicts until their goal of a one world government has been achieved. We are on the threshold of the greatest world conflict the world has ever seen right now.

 

xexon

No.. And you could almost be complimented for being taken as a mod.. almost.
LOL
soz darell


Occam

 

Rat
That could be..
I only said there would be no ww3
like axis and allies in the 40's
Or communism capitalism nuking it out in the 70' and 80's.

AmeriKA might well try to take the world.
It would be bloody. it would be fire appon the deep.
but they could do it.
And it would not be 'terminal'
it would be application of raw power in scores of 'intermediate theaters'
[korea class conflicts]
The world ruled from Washington.
It might actually be the best thing that could happen.
And this leads to a whole new thread and i CAN justify that statement.

occam

 

The world is ruled from London and New York -- not Washington.

 

Rat

financially
you are correct.
The MilIndPlex is newyork/london.
[ and this is why US/Europa will never WAR it out. Unless of course those bastard germans get uppity again]
But there must be an apparent social HEAD.
Washington.. the voice of the people

occam

 

You're a poser Occam sent to disrupt the thoughtful discussions on this board. We've weathered worse than you.

 

Poser?

We've weathered worse than you.
WE?
Oh you brave soul battered by high winds
and i wasnt even trying...LOL
Did my weather blow down your chicken coop?
scatter your pigs?
cecile [gimme a high 6 cess]

you funny person

occam

thoughtfull discussion...lol.
regrets. i've had a few. but then again, to few to mention.

 

“Events dear boy events” a quote from British PM Macmillan on what shaped politics.

The thing is we don’t know, many others have claimed something couldn’t happen or was impossible and then it happens.

The problem with open warfare in the modern age is nuclear weapons, the thing is when can you use them and what would be the results?

Remember that throughout history states that were un-matched on the conventional battlefield (even those that were) have still ‘warred’ with each other - over influence, strategic position or resources - but not openly, they do it covertly or through proxies. In a nuclear age that has become the ‘warring’ of choice if not necessity.

But sometimes those ‘games’ become something more serious – when the Chinese went into back up their North Korean proxy the war could have gone nuclear I believe MacArthur wanted to use them. And when Russia sent missile to its Cuban proxy again it had the possibly of going hot. The use of nuclear weapons was even pondered during the Vietnam War.

Now it didn’t happen, but any student of history can wonder about what if – what if personalities had been different, what if certain things had been different, what if, what if…

Would they have been local or global?

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But such ‘wars’ can also have unpredictable outcomes.

Anglo-American interests in Iran led to the over throw of the elected government because it was seen as ‘communist’ for nationalizing its oil industry. The US helped put in and then supported the ‘anti-communist’ Shah.

The Shah supported and abetted by the US, went after ‘left-wing’ influences that disliked the Shah’s rule, but they allowed the religious opposition to go mostly unmolested, which when the revolution came took power as the strongest faction.

The US then used another proxy to attack the Mullahs, Saddam Hussein, who began the Iran-Iraq war.

That religious faction, through the Iranian government, is now fighting a proxy war against US influence in the region through its contacts in Iraq, Hamas and Hezbollah.

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When Soviet Russia invaded Afghanistan, the US began channeling arms, money and guidance to it’s proxies in the Mujahidin militia. They also encouraged their Arab allies to support the ‘resistance’ and the Saudis sent money to set up Wahhabist schools and many Muslims headed the call to fight the infidel. They became the foundation of the Taliban and the ‘al quaeda’ movement.

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And so on.

This is nothing new is happened right through history

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Balbus

'What if' means NOTHING.
['what if' homo sapiens never evolved.]

What is, IS.
The past does not exist.

Occam

Makes for great novels and games tho...hehehe

 

What is, IS.
The past does not exist.

I think you need to explain what you mean, if the past didn’t exist nor would we?

As to history it can and is seen differently because people see it differently; they learn different lessons and take different ideas from it, anyone who has read or studied history knows that. A battle might have been fought but the reasons for it happening and its significance might be disputed, and differing outlooks can teach differing even diametrically opposing lessons.

As to what if that is one of the things that can be learnt from history, you cannot see into the future but it is possible to extrapolate from the past or see trends and themes.

 

I have a question.

Why would anyone want a one-world government? I mean, it's destined to crumble, spur revolutionaries and engage internal conflicts. Is there really anyone out there who can rule a one-world government with any hopes of being successful?

 

Technically we are already under a one world government and have been under one for quite some time when you consider the various trade agreements, superstates such as the EU (and the coming NAU and APU) and international UN laws/regulations that override national laws.

Sure it likely will spur revolutionaries and internal conflicts as the current order falls apart and economies collapse. Why do you think the West has for several decades been building up a police state equipt with massive surveillance and DNA databases? Why do you think they're erecting FEMA internment camps all across the country? It has nothing to do with protecting the people from al-Qaeda, but everything to do with protecting the government against the people.

 

Those are governments making super-states. I'm wondering about the actual push for one-world government rule.

Who is openly or discreetly wanting to rule the world by one government? Is it a race?