When I loved her too moch

Smoking weed is a brilliant thing to a mind that has been mostly sober.
But being stoned is a burden and curse when it draws on longer and longer
The alternative, when in this state, is a burnt out hybrid of neither form.
And i abscorn the love I lost, when I loved her too long.

When I loved her too moch.

 

Yea I know what you mean, because sometimes it's good to take a break then come back and rediscover what made you fall in love.

I smoke alot with my friends and it seems different from when I first started. Back when the act of smoking was still virgin. But my only real problem is that when smoking with my friends it goes like this, smoke, skate, smoke, watch skate vids, smoke, chill, smoke, skate, and some other stuff in between.

Don't get me wrong I love to smoke and go skating, then smoke and go skating, but there is so much more to Marijuana then just smoke/skate. I want to do other stuff and experience more than just the same thing everyday.

Also, when I first started my high and stoniness was kinda different than it is now. I've been smokeing for 3 years and for the 1st and a half years it was a giggly, ear to ear grin, and I guess some other stuff, but I miss the giggly ear-to-ear grins with fits of uncontrolable laughter.
It might be my friends I hang out with, they can be quite rude and mean spirited sometimes but they are still my friends. Like I can hang out with other friends that I don't see that often, or my mom (she's funny), and get giggly and grin ear-to-ear.
It might be that I'm older, but I doubt that because it is all a state of mind no matter how old you are, or it could be different strains. Maybe it's being stuck in my kinda ok but sucky town which I feel confined and down sometimes but not all the time in, which I find that I feel so much more free and lighter when I'm away from my town.

In the end the fact that remains is that breaks are always good.

I'll be back Mary Jane, I'm just going to the store...

 

IT is because you are older, and have been smoking weed for three years. you cant just start putting a chemical into yourself for years and expect that the part of the body that reacts to this chemical is not gonna change. Nothing can last forever, or else the very thing that defines it will dissipate. It is the brain which is formed by sober living that gets really high in a great way. the brain formed by stoned living just fits into its groove when it gets high.

 

Damn Bill.. you need to grace these forums more often again.. there are a lot of new heads here that can use your knowledge

 

Taking breaks from smoking makes it so much better, agreed. Doing it daily leads to it being old hat after a while.

 

But taking a break restores the unactive brains cells in the brain. Then you start smoking again, just take a break. lol

 

Can you cite a source stating that?

 

you dont need a source - just ask stoners. after smoking all the time for years, stoners on the most part will report being less interested and motivated with life, loosing touch with their hobbies and social fluency. Even if this is minor and has not stopped them acheiving great things. When we stop smoking weed, we start using our brains more effectively, restoring the activity in appropriate cells (not necessarily activating unactive cells, but diverting resources to effective places to provide efficient thought).

When our brain is in good order, and we get stoned, we get good stoned. when our brain is always stoned, it looses its order and our high has little to hold on to and launch off.

 

god damn bill, like joker said, you do need to come around here more often.
you're damn smart!

 

i don't know much about brain chemistry or philosophy, but i know that i make choices in life and repeated activities get boring and tolerances build up.

From my own experience, I never became less interested and motivated with life nor did i lose touch with my hobbies. If anything, i became more interested in life. I just became less interested in spending my entire life sober. Marijuana became my free-time hobby of top priority at that moment in life. My social skills blossomed during my first experience and grew from there. For myself, the repetition and the tolerance are what changed my free-time priorities from all high to a happy medium.

I think saying that you use your brain more effectivly when sober is misleading. You use your brain in the same manner of efficiency, you just focus priorities to fit your preferences of the moment (choice of stoned or sober). Your most effective state of mind varies during different activities or inactivities and you have a choice whether or not you want to be high. If you find that marijuana is inhibiting your activities, marijuana allows your brain to effecively decide whether you would prefer to perform that activity sober or high.

I think your experience would be better shared without philosophically defining good/bad with respect to the use and experience of marijuana as that is the only difference in our opinions. My brain is in good order after smoking under any circumstances. When our brains are always stoned they are in the same order but with a different tolerance which in turn gives us a different high. High tolerance may be a bad thing in one's opinion but that does not make having a high tolerance a bad thing for everyone.

When you begin to define good/bad or what is appropriate/inappropriate which is opinion based and combine that with science which is fact based, you can cause some confusion and disagreement.

This post, of no fault to any individual, sounds like what i would imagine an ONDCP brainstorming session on marijuana to be.

I agree with everyone here it is just that you can't present something as fact and then back it up by using an subjective individuals philosophy.

I hope this doesn't come across as too dickish, its not meant to ruffle any feathers.

-Peace.:cheers2:

 

Nah man I see where you are coming from but I have departed from that oppinion after watching marijuana's effect on people across th last five years of my time here on earth.

If you managed to get on track and moderate your use, good on you, but you defiantly don't represent the majority.


"I think saying that you use your brain more effectivly when sober is misleading. You use your brain in the same manner of efficiency, you just focus priorities to fit your preferences of the moment (choice of stoned or sober). Your most effective state of mind varies during different activities or inactivities and you have a choice whether or not you want to be high"

You are probably looking at the word 'effective' in this 'good/bad' paradigm that you subscribe myself to. I never suggested the sober mind was better. but the sober brain is more efficient at thought, more coherent at production, and able to store memory better. This is not always a good thing, because the automated thought-patterns that we develop through sober living can make us skip over (abeit efficiently) thought strings that are lying dormant. whereas being stoned can unwake these dormant thought potentials.. but with a sacrifice to the consistency amongst all the thoughts being thought.

But this is not just my oppinion. There is a logical argument that shows that tolerance is more than just getting less high. Tolerance is not just there waiting for the drug before being actualised. tolerance implies that there has been a change in teh brain that is there whether stoned or sober.

Here is perhaps the key disagreement here:
"When our brains are always stoned they are in the same order but with a different tolerance which in turn gives us a different high. High tolerance may be a bad thing in one's opinion but that does not make having a high tolerance a bad thing for everyone."

When you start to look at what tolerance really means and how it could possibly come about through drug use, you will hopefully see that tolerance is not just a factor on the side that can be high or low that is like a tap allowing the stonedness to get to your mind.

In the natural state, there are cannabinoid receptors all over the brain with their own specific tolerances and receptor populations that are determined by genetics and by the way that each person's brain has grown along its path.

In the natural purpose of these receptors, cannabinoids are not just released into the bloodstream. Similarly with almost all the neurotransmitters that we effect globally but which are naturally effected locally. The natural cannabinoids would be released somewhere closer or even within the neuron that they are required to bind to.

When we smoke cannabis, the cannabinoids in our smoke goes into our bloodstream, from where it cannot distinguish between different neurons and receptor sites. It just goes into our brain and floods all the cannabinoid receptors. this is how every drug effect differs from the natural effect of the system it influences.

The tolerance you get to smoking weed is an overall tolerance that occurs across your whole brain, because teh drug itself disperses across all the cannabinoid sites. This has more implications than just the high that you get. Many more. it should seem clear soon, what is going on here. you are equalising the states of your brain. where they were once delicately organised and set with their own tolerances, with their own neuron-personal secretions of endocannabinoids, etc, now, they become reflexive to your smoking habits. no longer is the most significant factor of your cannabinoid system the natural order, but now it is at the whim of your smoking habits.

if you smoke a lot, then what happens is your cannabinoid recepts are either enmass on or off. they loose their specificity and react to the level of cannabinoid in the bloodstream. when this is gone, they are too insensitive to be effectively moderated by the natural cannabinoids.

Tolerance is bad because it necessarily implies that one of your brain's natural systems, the cannabinoid system, is being physically shaped across your whole brain by the presence of the drug, instead of by the natural learning forces that occur most effectively during sobriety.

The best situation is to ensure that we spend enough time in cannabinoid-lacking state in order to keep up the natural 'maintenance' of the computer in our heads.

 

Ps. If this is even 12 hours a day (of sobriety prior to smoking), making sure not to smoke within about half an hour of goin to sleep, you will likely avoid the negative effects of habitual cannabis use.

This is my oppinion.

 

That is a very insightful post. I was wondering if you could point me in the right direction to where you got that information. The endocanabinoid system fascinates me, especially since learning of the adverse reactions that were occuring from the testing of rimonabant.
I appreciate the effort you put into elaborating on that information.
IMO, when a statement is made about any substance, regarding detrimental effects, there is usually a lot of bad information that is passed by word of mouth. With elaboration, which you so kindly provided, people can better understand what they are being told as opposed to a one liner which can be mis-interpreted as it moves through the grapevine.

I have no qualms with your explanation, as i do not have the resources to verify anything scientifically. I do have a problem when people throw those ambiguous one liners such as my 15 year old neighbor explaining to me that it is a good thing to spray your buds with cough syrup. That is not to say that anyone here had done this, ergo i have no problems with this thread.

The rhetoric used by opponents of marijuana prohibition like to begin with arguments based in fact while interjecting baseless assumptions that are unverifyable to the audience.

To give you some perspective, your thread had the potential to show someone how they can enjoy the herb and life more as opposed to the potential of your thread to be used and manipulated to confuse and alarm people. Marijuana changes brain chemistry. That is an accurate statement, ill concede. When you put that statement into perspective by stating that this is not permanent and is not prohibitive of "normal" body function you can see that while this bad, it does not warrant the current treatment that marijuana, and other drugs, get.

This is why i emphasize not using a good/bad paradigm without using a broad perspective. Thanks to politics, semantics has come a long enough way to make it quite easy to shine an evil and scary light on marijuana. The intent of my first post requesting a source was a precursor for a discussion on how bad it really is to have your brain chemistry altered by chronic abuse. Marijuana has its downfalls, but lets not, at least in the marijuana community, fall prey to the hype of how dangerous marijuana could be. It is important to distinguish the harms with their respective levels of use in that certain studies have shown chronic heavy use to be substantially more detrimental than the level of use that the majority of smokers suscribe to. The prohibitionists like to say that marijuana causes schizophrenia. They neglect to mention that this is only true for a fraction of a percent of our population whom is already predisposed and that there isn't enough knowledge on the subject to warrant legislation, yet it is used to propell legislation which pertains to the entire population. It is equivalent to making tomatoes illegal because there were reports of salmonella. Does eating tomatoes give you salmonella? Does Marijuana change your brain chemistry? Would you rather have a salmonella infection or a high tolerance?

My opinion on the matter is that we need more Australians to live in the US lol. I also like to see how much people know on the interwebs. Good on ya:cheers2:

 

This may dissapoint you but I can not point you to any source in particular because my information has come from my own analysis of the various 'studies' ive read since i started smokin, and in my studies at Uni, my study of people on realms like Hipforums, and my life. That is to say, this is just my own theory. I dont think modern scientific method, or Psychological method, are getting anywhere close to the right answers (and that generally means, they arent asking the right questions). But hopefully individuals can.

 

Not a disappointment, i already know there is little marijuana specific literature out there and I could not agree with you more. If you would like some more information regarding medical literature you can check out NORML's website which is a bit hard to navigate but has some very interesting links. I also have a copy of thier emerging clinical trials regarding medical marijuana but i have not had a chance to read it yet. If you find any more information feel free to send it my way if you have the time.:cheers2:

 

im really tired right now so here goes and quick lazy reply from my own experience.

i dont smoke right now, havnt smoked pot since november due to some legal issues.

prior to smoking pot- i used to skate alot, i was actually pretty good for my age. i had some small time sponsors nothing too crazy though (i inlined). aside from that, i was just a stupid middle schooler wanting to light things on fire and fuck everything i saw. grades got progressively worse from the beginning of 6th grade to the middle of 8th grade.

smoking pot- still too young to really make sense of anything, i started half way through my 8th grade year. i smoked once every week or two, all just laughs and giggles, watching stupid videos on the computer and just spending a few hours uncontrollably laughing. one thing that did change though, was my appreciation for life and all of its gifts. my grades began to pick up a bit because i saw the importance in them.

two years later, i was smoking every day, held my job as a favorite employee, good grades in one of the top highschools in florida, and socially was happier than ever. but then i got arrested for the ganj. first month initially wasnt too bad, i barely even noticed i wasnt smoking because i was still in shell shock from being arrested and dealing with court and what not.

after that, my head seemed to be in a fog. at this point i was well over the depression of the event and feeling that i could not live my own benign life without being intruded by the law. grades actually dropped a bit, and i was confronted by my manager at the store asking if something was wrong at home because my work ethic wasnt as good as it used to be. school became complete hell, i could sit without saying a word for an entire day, simply because everybody around me would piss me off beyond belief due to their conforming stupidity. i was living in a fog. only completely conscience of what was going on in my immediate surroundings unless i forced myself to think beyond that. pot wasnt on my mind. nothing was.

i wouldnt call these withdrawl symptoms, all though they could be. i wasnt thinking about weed, wasnt craving it, didnt really even care that i couldnt smoke it. i was basically a slave to the daylight. nothing more, nothing less.

i dont know what it is, but mary jane is like an office assistant for my life. it helps me just take a step back, look at what needs to be done, and set my priorities where they need to be. i sit back and think before i act. it puts all aspects of my life in a line right infront of my eyes for me to put in the order i choose. it lets me see my self and my life as a whole from a perspective other than my own. with that, i can fix my actions, and fix my priorities. instead of uselessly complaining about everything i didnt like, and create unneeded stress in my mind, ganj helps me blow off things that werent at all important, and fix things that were.

i took a puff of some nice chronic one morning before school when my weekly drug tests stopped and moved onto monthly.this was about 5 months after my last toke. and for the next hour or two everything in my life fell back into its rightful place. the glow lasted for two days, in which i gained the insight i just stated in my last paragraph.


ive got another 6 months of probation. i will rejoice and reunite myself with mary with a nice, big, bong rip. but i have learned that smoking daily is not necessary, and moderation is much better. it is probabaly much more enjoyable and appreciative smoking once every few days than a few times a day.

wow, so much for being tired and lazy, thats a fucking essay. sorry for the rant!!!!!!!

 

how did you come upon this theory?


p.s. i'm not knockin' ya.. just wanted to know how you thought/came up with this.

 

I've never gotten "burnt out" or bored with bud but I am on probation and quit until I see my P.O. once a month, unfortunately when I was able to get high I was with this annoying kid that ruins it.

 

Well you shouldnt smoke before going to bed because being stoned affects your sleep cycle negatively. Prevents dreaming. You shouldnt smoke in the morning because you will never be sober again that day, unless its like just a little puff then nothing else.

The key is fitting in sober brain activity, to ensure that the brain is getting the right sort of activity to promote learning and attention.

 

I understand what you mean, but I don't think pot prevents dreaming.
I like getting stoned right before bed, because it helps me sleep, and my dreams are always crazy and vivid.

I always thought being stoned affected my sleep cycle positively,
but maybe there are some negative things that I'm not yet catching on to.