Vice Presidential debates - Darth Vader defeated soundly

John Edwards definitely had a you're-no-Jack-Kennedy knockout punch tonight: "Mr. Vice-President, I don't think this country can afford another four years of more of the same," to which Cheney had no response.

Nothing was as different as their closing statements: Edwards' closing statement was fantastic, whereas Cheney's was horrible.

All in all, Cheney basically just reinforced Bush's perceived weaknesses from last Thursday: stammering, not using the full time, and appearing angry.

I think this was another solid win for the Democrats.

 

i agree with the first post.
i think edwards did a great job. kerry must have been grining ear to ear.

too bad edwards had to bring up cheneys daughter like that, i thought that was a low blow and cheney showed a lot in how he handled it.

cheney made a good points about kerry's plan to sending more troops not being a viable option...give the power to defend to the iraq people...(of course we know that is not what bush will do, but i think it was a strong point.

both were so much better than kerry and bush

 

Well, the mainstream media is portraying Cheney as the winner.

Frankly, I didn't agree with what either of them had to say, which was nothing more than sugar-coated lies and mindless pandering.

But looking at the debate from the perspective of an average, poorly-informed, swill-drinking, burger-loving, Hummer-driving American, I would say that Cheney won by a longshot. I don't agree with a thing he said -- which was basically all a lie anyway -- but he clearly dominated Edwards in this debate.

Edwards came off as completely phony and polished, and people are going to pick up on that. I think Cheney projects this super-serious, cold-blooded, business-like vibe that many Americans prefer to Edwards glum, Clintonesque, niceguy nature.

Neither of them had a leg to stand on as far as I am concerned. Just more of the same rhetoric from two empty suit, corporate clowns.

But I already know what pure EVIL Dick Cheney is, so anyone looks good compared to him -- even a phony, corporate-whore trial lawyer like John Edwards.

 

very interesting...i was trying to keep that perspective, but i totally saw the opposite...and we are both yankees...hmmm.

 

I did like this debate. It touched many good topics, unlike the pointless Kerry-Bush debate.

Cheney is clearly more intelligent and self-controlled than Edwards, and he showed it.

Cheney did not attack the credability of Kerry because of pointless patriotism issues like Bush, he had some very strong points about Kerry's lack of judgement, as in voting for war and not for resources for it (Which was counter-argued rather well by Edwards though). Also very nice points on opposing the weapons of the cold war and opposing Kiwait.

Edwards gave a very vague plan for Iraq... More staff and more reconstruction, while holding the elctions... he did not say how he will do it, rather weak.

I also really liked Cheney's point about Kerry's campaign ignoring the Iraquis fighting for the coalition in thier estimates.

The key of the debate for me was Edward's statement on Israel... he said that Israel has a "right and obligation to defend itself", and that suicide bombers are wrong. This was a key point for me... it might be brainless talk without any action followed, but at least I know that the Democrats stand right where I want them to stand on the issue. Cheney kind of jumped over it, by only mentioning Iraq. I also much rather have Edward's tax cuts than Cheneys... Edwards will actually give tax cuts to people who have not gotten them, while Cheney will not change a thing. (I do mean Kerry's and Bush's tax cuts, I just use the VPs names).

Edwards did have a cheap shot at Cheney with his daughter, an unnecesarry personal attack. Yet, cheney did not oppose any of Edwards' gay union arguments... which is good... Cheney is much too intelligent than to bother adressing such cultural issues on a serious debate, which involves issues of far more importance.

Anyhow, it was interesting, yet I could not pick a true winner... Cheney seemed a bit more shaped up, and defenatly more of VP material. Edwards' ending statement was terrible...I cannot stand his appeal to pity refferences to his "poor, worker class" childhood.

 

Actually I would place this on the moderator. She posed the question and everyone knows that Cheney's daughter is gay. I thought the moderator had alot of guts even asking that question. I thought it caught them both off guard. However, it is an issue that has not been brought up much, so kudos to the moderator.

As for "Cheney" for prez....most crooks are smooth talkers. One should look more into the actions of the man, not how smooth he comes across. The Cheney/Haliburton/illegal practices connection is something that needs to be brought up again and again and again, but it keeps getting glossed over. You think ENRON was bad....

 

I would say just the opposite, actually. All other things being equal, I think people would prefer an attractive, optimistic candidate like John Edwards to a guy who looks and acts like he's an evil old man.

 

i think i missed the actual question.did it invite such a response?

and i live in a bubble outside of going to a neighbours to watch the debates and email i get...i didn't know she was gay. it sounded like a indirect attack from my veiw.
thanks for the feedback, if you remember the question the mod asked please pass it on.

 

Cheney didn't even mention Bush throughout the debate, except once when he said he supported Bush on the amendment to ban gay marriage. It shows that Cheney thinks of himself as the President and that Bush is just an afterthought to him. Sort of a Freudian slip type of thing if you read between the lines.

Cheney is tops at diverting damaging facts. He was asked about jobs and started talking about education. He tried to make the American troop deaths in Iraq look like a lower percentage by including the Iraqi troop deaths in the calculation. Another was when Cheney claimed he never said Iraq and al Qaeda were connected. That purported connection has been the centerpiece of the Bush-Cheney reason for invading Iraq. All this may sound good but it doesn't address the problems (like painting over the rust on a car).

 

Hey Will, i dont know if you remember me but I'm Heather anyway..i believe that person was referring to the person who posted about Cheney being president..

 

MSNBC stayed on the air for 4.5 hours after the debate kissing Cheney's rear end.

 

Get out if you have nothing to contribute but trolling.

 

Thank you! I should have not replied to him at all last night, I knew he was a troll..I should have let him keep ranting and ignored his obvious ignorance. I kept asking him for facts to back up what he was saying, he couldn't all he could do was say i was a fake newspaper writer and call names..when infact i don't write at the newspaper i work for..i create ads LOL..

 

Ask and ye shall receive...the question was as follows...

IFILL: The next question goes to you, Mr. Vice President.

I want to read something you said four years ago at this very setting: Freedom means freedom for everybody. You said it again recently when you were asked about legalizing same-sex unions. And you used your family's experience as a context for your remarks.

It was in reference really to the constitutional amendment banning gay marriage issue/debate...

 

Choosing bush & cheney in 04, must make you insanely stupid or retarded.. they fuck up so much, suck at debating, and have no valid points... yet the die hard republican annoying fucks insist on voting for them

 

Kerry plans to reduce premiums to health care; cover an additional 27 million americans, including all 8 million children currently without healthcare; allow more generic drugs to come to market; allow importation of foreign, FDA approved drugs; give a tax cut to small business owners that would cover 50% of their premiums, and allow individuals to buy into the Congressional Health Plan to ensure access to quality coverage, as well as provide tax credits to make it more affordable.

 

I cannot believe people actualy think edwards did good?! I don't mean to offend anyone, but WTF?!

 

Key points Edwards made that Cheney avoided: Halliburton, Allowing Osama to get away, and every single reason that Bush cited as a reason to go into Iraq in the first place.

I don't like either candidate much at all, honestly... and thought Edwards did fairly well, though I think Cheney appeared more of an effective speaker. I give Cheney a very, very slight edge in last nights debate...

 

If you already knew Kerry's proposal, and have a developed opinion on why it won't work... why ask for an explanation?

 

Yes Halliburton was a valid point, but I thought Cheney did well mentioning Edward's money, to which he had no response, and completely ignored. As far as Osama, I thought that was a good point, when Kerry said it, Edwards looked kind of like an idiot repeating almost exactly Kerry's words. Also Edwards seems to come off as fairly sleazy, and just not a very good person in general, I personaly would not want to be around someone like that. I would say Cheney won last night's debate by quite a large margin.