Vision Council!!!!

i participated in wyoming vision council . a northeast gathering was earnestly discussed ... no one could propose even one potential site that would do for a national gathering . a fresh and thorough scouting report is needed right away .

 

from all the folks that i've talked to, it's not that the east is "bad" or anything, it's just that there isn't much good land that is not already farm land. NW PA has some good sites, maybe NH has some good areas, but maines NF land is like barely even there it's got like a smidge on the NH border. and vermont i'm not too sure about haven't spent much time there. Either way I'm excited about the gathering being there, because afterwords, I'm going to dig me some ricolite!

 

Why would we need a potential site a whole year in advance??? wouldn't we just need a State? and then you have a whole year to scout for a site?

I don't know exactly how a site is picked... but it doesn't make sense to me that you'd need to know a potential site at vision council... Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding.

My feeling about it is that there's been a lot of gatherings in the west... and a lot of people coming to the gatherings have been from the west... and it's like, self perpetuating...

I was really hoping for a New England gathering, but I haven't spent any time in New Mexico before... so sounds good enough to me...

I also didn't go to vision council, so I'm not really going to complain

Love, Light, and Laughter

 

so I'm just getting through reading "The Fallen Tree Gathering" on AGR... which gives a detailed report of what actually happened during council...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gathering.rainbow/browse_thread/thread/fcc64e23c4887cf3

reading that, I understand what happened, and why.

Really thankful for Butterfly Bill's time and effort to put this out there!

 

No, it's the geography. Large open meadows, which we need for Gatherings, and which we have in the Rockies, aren't at all common in the Appalachians, especially on public land. Large open areas in the Appalachians are usually in river bottoms, and are farmland, therefore private land, or if on NF land are a clear cut or a reclaimed strip mine.

I don't like traveling across the continent every year, either, but until the Starship Enterprise beams an alpine meadow from Colorado to up in the Blue Ridge somewhere, there's not a whole lot we can do about it.

 

damn we need to get some national gathering love in the northeast again sometime

damn gas prices

 

Being from NY state I think what is lacking is not the land needed in the northeast. i think yall just need to get hooked up with people who do know the land

for instance check this out:
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http://www.adirondackcouncil.org/adkpark2.html

We do have the land and the meadows in the northeast, i guarantee that, it just takes plugging in to the right people who kno the land to get the scouts out in the right area

and im not trying to be a complainer, no i have never done anything with a scout camp etc, so i dont have a whole lot to say about this, i have always just showed up where the gatherings were assigned

but i did want to point out, being a northeasterner i do wish we could have another gathering out this way again soon, many of us dont have the resources to travel to the west coast or midwest where the trend seems to be sending the nationals each year

hey thanks so much for all of you people who help out with the gatherings in whatever way, it really is healthy to get out in the woods and be friends

 

Jasoneric, there are a lot of Fam from NY who know the state well...the problem is that very specific things are needed for a Rainbow Gathering. National Parks & private land are not in the currently accepted criteria, tho private land has been incorporated into at least one Gathering that I know of. US Rainbow Gathers on National Forest land, which is completely different than National Park land.

My suggestion to those who want to see a NE Gathering is to print out the list posted on this forum of site criteria, get out bunches of maps & study them, then go camp on at the places that look promising & see if they'll work. Get a group of folks together & put on a regional to see if the proposed site will work for a small Gathering. Then if the site works for a regional & will hold several thousand extra folks, bring pictures & maps to Vision Council.

 

Adirondack State Park is under New York State law, not Federal law. New York passed a really strict Mass Gathering statute in 1970 after the Woodstock festival. The hippies don't even want to cooperate with the Federal law, which is much less stringent.

 

what's disappointing to me is to think of all the states that have not yet been blessed with the opportunity to have a gathering yet, and then having states that are getting on with their second or third gathering...

I understand the limitations being dealt with (i.e. site criteria), and also the fact that only those who actually show up for vision council are participating in these decisions...

still, it makes me sad...

but what makes me really happy is the fact that I have the opportunity to be a part of this beautiful family, and that if there is anything I don't like I can do something about it...

for starters I think I'll just dig a few shitters(they can use detailed instructions too, like "Pull Your Pants Up")

[edit: thinking about Arkansas, and the fact that it didn't have a meadow... I'm sure Arkansas was picked thinking there were meadows and whatnot around but the site chosen didn't... no doubt there were many factors which made Arkansas a 'rough' gathering(no meadow being the least of which), but my point is that there was no meadow, and we gathered and it was really beautiful... soooo.... lets go to the north east! ]

 

[edit: thinking about Arkansas, and the fact that it didn't have a meadow... I'm sure Arkansas was picked thinking there were meadows and whatnot around but the site chosen didn't... no doubt there were many factors which made Arkansas a 'rough' gathering(no meadow being the least of which), but my point is that there was no meadow, and we gathered and it was really beautiful... soooo.... lets go to the north east! ][/quote]

There was a nice meadow in Arkansas, it was just one mile or so walk from the site to the beginning of the gathering site, and folks didn't want to walk it.

As for the vermont question. I was in california when the consensus was called for the "greater mid-atlantic bio-region". The consensus was worded that way so that vermont could be included in the scouting. Vermont, and even Georgia were considered, and were not ever in the serious counsel that went on for a year.
So you see, when we sent the gathering to the east, the eastern family didn't choose vermont. In fact they had trouble finding a site at all.

wyoming
arkansas
colorado
viginia
california
utah
michigan
idaho
montana
pennsylvania
orgegon
missouri
new mexico

That's as close as i can remember right now.

 

ya know theres a reason that natives dont gather with us much,... rainbow is like a big party the feds actually use our action as leverage to take more rights away from legitimate natives, and it seem this west coast ownership of rainbow is pepetuating a back yard party,... i hardly ever see eastern family at gathering lots of people here in the north east just havent gone since the 90s cause its too far away,... consistantly, how are we going to unify all tribes when we shun 3/4 of our own, ive heard all the anti death camp, anti a-camp arguments AT VISION COUNCIL, if a site is what you need ive seena site w' meadow parkin for 600 and road parking for more on only one gate!!!, as to new mexico? your last regional turn into cops hospitalizing family even wheelchair bound one and it was stated at council that that is one of the reasons for gathering thert next year,... SHANTA-SENA.... thats provoking the feds and you want that energy as your focus for a peace gathering??,.. or are the council members who are pushing these agendas agent provaceteurs???? and this two to one, wast to east is garbage the even concidered arkasas east??? its on the west of the mississippi, and isnt st louis the gate way the the west,.. thats one state east of arkansas,.. so that 4 to 1, and west va was in the mississippi watershed thats central,... also referencing that "consensus" one of our "scouts" brought 6-7 cronies with him who'd never been to a main circle and when ne family were showing them old sites to look at (for example not for gathering) the said you couldent have a main circle here, but tens of thousands did,... and that crew controlled consensus as put us in wva which was at elkins (by consensus) but the feds started giving tix to gatheres (oh no first time thats happened!!!) and we got moved to cranberry glades, an ond internment camp for ww1 objecters,.. the feds had policing ifrastructure already, and a council the site of the last nationals was brought up as the site,.. the cops still have those maps and policing tactics recorded, oh yeah just so you know theres lots of kids going to block site production at vision council,.. cause then they can just rezone and there goes a site, forget states anyway we should consense on region not just west east we need to restucture and define six or seven boi regions and rotate them not 4-1 west to east 8out of ten in the rocky mountains, either way concider this the leos dont breakup or arrest everybody at visoin council to stop us so they apparently have an agenda for us,... and we need to look at whos there and whats motivating them,... oh yeah arkansas was originally a texas w/ sorft borders w/ oklohoma and arkansas, and it took til spring council for any public council for the family on the road to block texas,... which was spearheadded by steven principal,... who was run out of missouri in the 90s for being a fed along w/ fast eddie so iknow some of you have home town connections with the west but think outside of yourself and to the family as a whole and stop this self servin scharade, keep in mind the leos love meadows too and dislike forest for their tactics and even if you think there might be a less smooth gathering on the east (north or south) quit worrieing and be a warrior

 

I will be there for New Mexico... with the Reading Rainbow Library!

Love and Light,
Joshua

 

(misquote->) blah blah blah (<-misquote)

not to get off topic..... BUT...

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Someone woke up on the wrong side of understanding this morning

I keep seeing these types of suggestions along with ideologies of what Rainbow "is" or "does".

Legalized gambling and super duper liquor marts on certain reservations would seem more of an issue than "how" Rainbow "effects" First Nationers.

Sometimes the problems in one's own backyards are more of an issue than the things that pose no threat what so ever!

As for our actions dictating the policies of IA or INAC... what rubbish!

Have a good day

Oh.... and WELCOME HOME!

 

well, ive been living around people who regulary sweat and do ceremonies with the native elders here in the north east and carolinas and thats where i get my understanding, as for what allotment the federal gov't give the top 2% gambling rights and such are diversionary tacktics, we as a tribe were brought into the league of nations at a time when elders not on reservation were being ousted from sacred native areas in the shanendoah and allegheny and appalation areas as well as new mexico arizona mountain tops and our "inbringing" was to help give more energy to stop this destruction of sacred areas (mountain top removal, building residential, tourist towns) and as a matter of fact most native tribes see us as a perversion of their ideals and practices, they balk at our sweat lodge "cerimonys" and are wary of the spirits we call in the "dens", either way a good example of our triballess actions would be the two or three huge bliss pits "owned" by kitchen and no heart fire, there is a cliqueinh almost competitory ego driven kitchen culture and if you ask most people why they come to rainbow thers an appreciable percentage thats focus is drugs, and if youve spent any time at trading circle you see obvoiusly that pot is money, even at vision council a charachter from california said "when the east coast can match us then we'll concider a gathering out east" tell me if that honors the great spirit

 

Schwag's post is pregnant. It's missing periods. I have a real hard time taking folk's ideas seriously when they don't take their own ideas seriously enough to express them in English that would get a C from a 4th grade teacher.

 

dont joe the plumber me...vermin............. that should be close enough for a years worth of periods, just like a n.e. gathering (at vision council) you want every thing spelled out and laid in front of you in neat orderly piles, forget all that spirit bullshit, either way you cats can respond to my grammer but not the my heart song, honestly i didnt expect any different, ces't la vie, but on a lighter side there are many meadows in new-hampshire aaaannnnddd, what happened to your zombie preparedness plank????

 

Why do people assume that Turn-up is Vermin just because he has Vermin's pic in his sig? Well, I guess there is that saying about assuming....

FYI, Shwaglow, there are several people on this forum who prefer that at least some punctuation is used, I being one of them. It is easy enough for one to be misunderstood on the internet even with punctuation. Heck, I couldn't even tell if you were saying that Stephen Principal spearheaded the Arkansas movie or the Texas movie.

 

BUT I WILL ACCEPT BRIBES ON HIS BEHALF!!!