can you make a scientific case for god?

already did, check out the following thread for many scientific cases against god:

if you have any arguments post there cuz im running out of people to debate.

wow im surprised nobody can take up my challenge.

 

why?

 

Why do you start by stating that I made a poor post? Whatever. I forgive...

Trying to explain why we psychologically need religion is science, not religion. By doing so we are admitting that it is a human invention. I was more talking about the religous state of mind wich is parallel to the scientific state.

But you are right about imagination, it is equally important with skeptisism.

Peace

 

Yes you are right about Buddhism. I hadn't thought of it when I wrote my post. Buddhism is a very intelligent religion, maybe it's because they meditate so much. But are there other religions like that or is it unique?

Just a question... could we call Buddism an atheist religion? I don't think they beleive in god, do they?

 

Just wondering what you mean by a "scientific case" for God?

It just seems a bit vague to me.

What kind of evidence are you willing to entertain?

 

i guess any scientific article, or study.

 

As you must know, scientific study has been slanted toward evolution for the last 100 years. You would probably say because evolution is true and I would say because they don't want to face the alternative. This being the case, this argument is slanted in your favor because most if not almost all of the studies have been done to prove evolution true. So to even break even with you in this discussion I would have to put in a lot of time and effort I’d rather use doing other things. So I'm going to say, on this one you win and I'm going to go ride my motorcycle.

 

how about u whip out those watchtower books! those are pretty slanted.

 

You bet they are! Almost as slanted as most "sceintific studies" on evolution.

 

There are 2 things in this universe, there is energy then theres matter.

Realize that all matter is mearly energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, that there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imaginations of ourselves.

You realize that the universe is pure and simple energy. The point im trying to make is that our spirit our soul is just energy when we die we will be consumed by the bigger energy which religions call god. And our sun which is gods son(jesus) will lead us to god. And we can all just rest in heaven. The dream that everyone wishes it were true.

 

Hahaha what? That's like saying most scientific studies are slanted towards a spherical earth or gravity. Evolution is well documented and proven. Do you seriously believe that scientists base their theories around being scared of the alternative? Last time I checked, that was theologians.

 

Actually not so much, a spherical earth and gravity are facts which need little or no proof but on the other hand evolution is not of that sort and although as you say it is well documented it is way short of proved.

Do you have any idea of the money and prestige that are involved in research grants? Why would anyone want to kill off the cash cow of evolution?

There are many who say that a cure for cancer, M.D., M.S., AIDS and others will never be found because too much money is to be made by not finding it. Why would evolution be any different?

If you think scientists would never do anything like that, please check out the recent scandals in the scientific community of doctored studies and research results. Why do you think this happened? Was it for the advancement of true science or was it more for the money and prestige?

 

You're suggesting it's a conspiracy now? I'm assuming you're suggesting the alternative is I.D, and that the reason that scientists don't take it seriously is that they make money from not doing so? You realise that would mean that every scientific institution and biologist (except for Behe) is corrupt? That's a rather large and unfounded claim, if you don't mind me saying. The reason I.D isn't taken seriously by 99.9% of scientists is because it's not even a theory. A theory looks at all the evidence and then makes a conclusion from that evidence. I.D makes a conclusion that God did it, then tries to pick out things that scientists haven't fully explained yet and declare them as proof.

 

A conspiracy, no.

But in the past there have been many things that 99.9% of scientists have believed and they were wrong. Why did it take so long to overturn such obviously wrong ideas? Could it be that it wasn’t wise to buck the system so just go along with the crowd? Maybe easier to say, what I see is an anomaly or I’m just wrong, than become an outcast among your peers? Today there is even more incentive to believe what everyone else believes. It doesn't take much, a tweak here, ignore a find there, decide it means this instead of that, add a few million years here or there if it helps to fit the picture and suddenly people are buying what you're selling. It all adds up. Besides what difference does it make, evolution is true isn't it?

 

i totally agree there are some cases where scientists are unfairly biased, but is this really a good reason to throw out all scientific studies of evolution?

now, i always believed that the majority of the American public where theists, this is after all a 'christian' nation, so i did a google search and the first article that comes up is from the washington post :

it states that 92% of americans are theists.
so if 92% of the public are theists, wouldn't ya think that most studies would lean towards religion? i dunno, tell me what you think

 

Nice post. I gotta go to work, let think about it and I'll get back to you.

 

I don’t know if you’ve noticed but I’m a little biased on this subject. So please take what I say with a grain of salt.

First, science tends to get things right but on a few and sometimes major things they’ve been way off base and sometimes for a very long time. Since to me, the Bible has been proved true and evolution still has quite a few dots to connect, I’m putting my money on the Bible. I know that’s not a very convincing argument but it’s all I have. So since to me, the Bible has proved itself right, I’m believing that evolution is one of those things where science will eventually say; oops, we really blew it on this one, how could have believed it so for long.

On this one, no, theists are not for the most part interested in funding scientific studies. They have their funds earmarked for other things.

The most funds for studies comes from business because they have the money and they have a vested interest, because anything discovered or invented means more money in their pockets.

Scientists who want to make a living doing science tend to go where the money is.

Well, anyway, that’s the way I see it.

 

Actually evolution is not proven, hence the theory of evolution, and things like the missing link. Evolution is just a really good idea that makes alot of sense.

 

The Bible has been proven true? Wow... under what rock was I hiding that day?

 

Need more information.

Well, the apparent 8% minority could still consist of the 8% of the population that is actually made up of scientists

The worst kind of scientific bias is conducting experiments that you assume/hope will prove your beliefs.