I believe that they go hand in hand and engtheogens are tools used to help you with animistic beliefs and or spiritual uplifting, enlightenment, but i think that entheogens are the basis of animism
You're already wiser than a vast majority of the population! Tell me, what entheogens have you been blessed with experiencing.
fungus, and mescaline, oh and salvia will do LSD waiting for the right time in my life though and you?
I've had mushrooms, salvia, cannabis, and LSD. I'm still waiting to do mescaline (I'd like to eat peyote buttons). I've done MDMA once, but I don't really count that. You're outlook on LSD is perfect! Good things come to those who wait, and even greater things come to those who wait for the RIGHT TIME!
you seem very wise! i guess i should add a shit load of cannabis to that too on my list haha. and i would be so grateful if i could eat some buttons!! omg!! i was going to go on an expedition and look for some i'm just waiting for the time when i can. i'm really glad to hear that you like my outlook on LSD not a lot of people hear my on that ya know?
another thing to add is through meditation you can reach the state of mind that you would have on LSD or any entheogen for that matter, and i have been working on my sadhana, but will take the medicine when the time is right i don't know when it will be exactly but i will know when i know
Too true. One of my favorite thinkers, Terence Mckenna, portrayed entheogens as a "fast-track" to enlightenment. I like to think of these as sort of a window into the mindset you can attain from meditation, just as you have said. A lot of people don't understand the need to wait for the right moment. We live in a world of excess and gotta-have-it-nows. I admit, that when I first began, I used to rush these things (and paid dearly with the worst trip of my life). But I've recovered, and learned from my mistakes. I've honestly never given thought to taking an expedition to find some wild buttons! That would be incredible. I actually live in Utah, which is quite close to the deserts that the button is native to I believe. Next summer, I may just have to make such a trip!
yeah at the beginning i rushed too just a little, i guess maybe just did shrooms too often but i didn't really know what it was all about ya know? and you should!! i live in new mexico haha that's crazy were all close
and your right they are the faster track because it puts you through such an experience that it makes you realize so much more. but also, there something that you can use them just to trip and see things you know what i mean? like we're talking about being enlightened and seeing the spirit world and shit like that, but if you don't believe or have will to believe then all your going to see is cool designs and random shit.
I'm pretty sure you stole my brain. Most definitely they help you see the spirit world. All those thoughts and meditations are fantastic, but once you eat the mushroom or other entheogen, you not only think those thoughts, but you see them! You've kind of given me a thought too. It seems that everything we're told from birth (work like a drone and make lots of money, conform to society's standards, push OTHERS to conform to those standards, live in a house separated from mother nature, etc) are reinforced by daily reality. Everywhere we look, there's people doing exactly what we've been told to do, especially on TV. But when we trip, this enlightened sense of how to exist is reinforced. Instead of being bombarded by superficial media, we experience how absurd modern day is, and also learn more and more about what exactly being alive is about! It's almost like when we trip, we're in our element. We're in a space where our beliefs aren't shunned, but celebrated! And that reality we just left, well it seems pretty hilarious at times (I've had many a laughing fit on shrooms just thinking about my life). And you're totally right about the belief system that must come with the substance. When I first took shrooms, I knew nothing about animism or this way of life. I saw neat patterns, had some cool thoughts and that was it. While chasing that experience, I had a terrible trip. But it was terrible because I was terrible. My life was meaningless, I chased money, popularity, and had shaky christian beliefs. The trip is still as vivid in my memory as it was when it was happening. I felt like I was spiraling, that I knew nothing of the real world, and that everything about me was shallow and fake. And it was true. Now I've reached a state of mind I could have never predicted. Sometimes I wonder if all the "cool colors and patterns" are a way of drawing the user in. A way of easing someone who's been programmed by society, into the more natural mindset. It truly is like being born again. Wow, sorry for the long post! I think I've been waiting to share that for a long time. We seem to think a lot alike. That's awesome you live so close. I'm not sure how to send PM's but if you could send me your e-mail, we could even try to set up some sort of button hunt!
That would be ill homie i will send you my email adress and fucking your totally right that is a new thought that you put in my head about the whole drawing the person in with the cool designs. check this out America is materialstic and so god did his workings how ever he does it and someone comes out with a "material" LSD that shows you a glimpse of god's garden if you will which is a metaphor but also somewhat literal ya know? you know haha but that happened to show the people who lost their connection to the spirit world and since everone is so egoistic and materialistic and shit people are like word lets drop come cid and they are in for a serious trip that they will under estimate and that's why people say that drug is so life changing. but i think when i do it, it will be awesome and life changing but also more life enhancing and belief enhancing because i will have had experience... because a lesson lived is a lesson learned ya know? i mean reading is one thing and experiencing is another. but anyways also jesus says "except ye be converted & become as little children ye shall not enter the kingdom of heaven"... so basically that just means "unless you start again become that trusting, open, surrendered, being, the energy can't come in that is the kingdom of heaven, the energy, which is the same thing as cosmic conciousness." which makes so much sense because that has so much to do with all that... ya know?
Mine, most important, psychedelic is DXM, it really, gives ansewrs to me and, helps me to open new doors...
I really dig what everyone is saying here. The one problem with entheogens is that we don't have the cultural context to use them properly. The institutions of religion have destroyed those understandings eons ago. Hence the drug war, pushers, drug cartels, addictions, Spongebob Square Pants (just kidding). This is a gift of Mother Earth and it is very powerful medicine. It is not for everyone. And it is not even neccessary. But Mother Earth gave it to us for a reason. It has been found to be very powerful in healing mental illness, It has already been pointed out how it opens the door to spirituality. But as a powerful medicine it's sacredness should be respected. It's the abuse that causes problems. It shouldn't be available to anyone. It should be used only for healing and spiritual use. To abuse it merely provides karmic weight to your soul. I wouldn't use it for recreational purposes (yes you would. No I wouldn't. Yes, you do. No I don't. Yes you do----all the time. No I don't. Yes you do---always. Because I am always spiritual. No you aren't. Yes I am. No you aren't. Yes I am!) Just kidding (No you aren't. Yes I am. No you aren't...). Welllll recreation happens---it's everyone's choice, but ideally... ...and I don't think kids should use it...
Don't get me wrong here. Entheogens certainly make it easier to have the experiences you seek, but they are not necessary. There are other ways to alter your state of consciousness to practice spiritual activities.
i cannot explain why, maybe earth philosophy or placebo effect, but i took shrooms once and acid 3 times and i felt that my shroom experience was far greater that my acid trips combined. to me acid felt much more recreational. it did not force me to go inside myself the way that mushrooms did. under the influence of lsd i felt entertained, whereas using shrooms i felt exposed. spiritually, i felt that i was ready for what i was going to be exposed to on shrooms but the actual realizations were unimaginable. it was like a series of confirmations regarding my life. all questions had answers. life seemed simpler and less contaminated. i feel that humans are far too busy with their egos. we need to let go and look inside. dissolve and connect
im with you, i dont think lsd is an etheogen because its not natural... etheogen and animism go hand in hand because they focus on the 'spirit' or 'breath of life' in all things...but i dont see how dxm or lsd could be considered etheogens, theyre manmade drugs/chemicals, etheogens have been here forever and thus have wisdom and guidance thats just my view, and I agree with you something vague
I agree. Spiritual use only. I think that these entheogens should be used with much respect. They are or can be our Teachers.
