Former Astronaut who Walked on the Moon Claims Aliens Exist!

Discussion in 'Weird, Bizarre and Mysterious' started by skip, Jul 27, 2008.

  1. ashblossom789

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  2. bandbeyondescription

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    aliens do exsist, and they are planning to invade earth and

    take me away with them
     
  3. profezzor_x

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    ...Like in that Twilight Zone episode: "To Serve Man". And by the end of the episode after the aliens helped solve famine, and world peace, humans finally deciphered the alien's book and discovered that the book - was a cook book. But by that time, thousands of humans had already volunteered to go up into space with the aliens.
     
  4. lithium

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    He's not claiming first hand knowledge of this, but was told about it by people
    who "thought he might be credible" if this story came from him. His status as an ex-astronaut is pretty much incidental here. He has a history of belief in the paranormal and probably wants to believe in aliens as much as we all do. It'd be great if it were true but this just sounds like a man who wants to believe too much and his credulity has got the better of him...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwE0vDuTm48
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
     
  5. profezzor_x

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    There are far too many UFO sightings in South America, and a few other third world countries, or countries tampering with nuclear technology that we're aware of, that it's a shame those government agencies just don't come forward with the truth.

    There is already undisputable evidence in that World Trade Center helicopter video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeTGcTYzbIU

    ...Or the famous footage taken from the space shuttle a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN0XnDJKdWo&feature=related
     
  6. lithium

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    This was a promo for the scifi channel...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQoJ5Qbjx_4
    Correspondence with the actress involved:
    http://www.rense.com/general41/scihoax.htm
    ...this is the lady:
    http://www.mysteriousmysteries.com/index.html

    Look like ice particles to me, there are dozens of "flying saucers" visible in that shot which all happen to change direction following the "flash" of the shuttle's thrusters...
    http://www.debunker.com/texts/sts48_ufo.html
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83drOPwYdHs

    Don't be so open minded that your brain falls out :)
     
  7. profezzor_x

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    ^ I've seen the STS-48 footage many times over, though various sources, with scientific analysis from top scientist, astrologysts, and other experts, and what it came down to was the fact that this "ice particle" seemingly changes direction in an almost 90 degree angle and continues to accellerate long after the flash and missle exits the atmosphere.

    ...But then you also have to wonder, why was a missle being shot off into space at that exact coordinate, if it was only a ice particle?

    I don't care how one person from those articles of yours tries to logically explain it, seeing this footage in great detail - almost a hundred times over since it came out, has officially convinced me that there is undisputed proof that life does exist out there.
     
  8. lithium

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    It's this kind of absolute faith based on partial and equivocal evidence (to say the least) with which reason cannot engage. It takes on the character of religious faith, to which you are welcome, but do not call it rational and don't expect to be able to convince others of it unless they too are credulous and unskilled in critical thinking...

    I would love to see convincing evidence of extra terrestrial life but if this is the best there is...
     
  9. profezzor_x

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    That's the beauty of it all... This is not "the" best footage there is out there of UFO encounters.

    The internet is filled with both good and bad films. Some real and some not, but I think what we can all agree on is that we have the intelligence to believe what we want to based on our faith, or scientific proof.
     
  10. MindingMyOwnBeeswax

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    okay, I'll stick my foot in here ... just to say one of the most haunting stories I've read about UFO's was Eisenhower's pilot who "came out" at long last to say Eisenhower walked from his plane to a UFO and was in there about half an hour.

    That got me. And what about crop circles?

    Skip, nice idea about a big group of people attempting to contact aliens WITHOUT interference from government ... [editing] but it's kind of LATE, and it violates the treaty between the aliens and our government, if the youtube posted on here is correct.

    [editing] googled ... Eisenhower pilot alien ..., came up with this youtube:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgL5JTKLp9E

    It is quite possible that aliens contacted our government years ago, and our government never told "the people." That's a really interesting youtube, BTW.
     
  11. lithium

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    Then show me the best evidence there is:) Where is this indisputable proof?
     
  12. profezzor_x

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    The link that you provided is a lot clearer than the one I provided, but at the same time there are other videos that are associated to that video too. One in particular is the emoployee that was abducted at work and it was caught on tape. You don't see any space ships, but you clearly see the bolt of light (or lightening) coming down on him, and the two hour elapse in time before he reappears and vomits uncontrolably on the ground where he was last seen.

    But if you insist on believing that human beings are the only intelligent life forms in existence in this vast universe, then maybe you should look at a few websites, charts, or television shows that describe how incredibly large this universe is. And within this universe, the billions of worlds in these galaxies that are conceivably habitable or capable of supporting life.

    Now that's not to say that evolution is the same everywhere, because other worldly species could have evolved much faster and died out much sooner than humans were even around. Or, they could exist after humans go extinct... Who knows. But the possibilities are there, and so is the data that it is conceiveable. So if you choose to look at life through a tunnel instead of the broader picture, then may your "God" help you.
     
  13. lithium

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    You are conflating two quite distinct issues. We can talk about the probabilities of life existing elsewhere in the universe - which, because of its vastness, are quite high - we can even discuss the probabilities of intelligent advanced life like us existing elsewhere - a more difficult thing to calculate, but far from a ridiculous proposition. But the issue here is whether we have good evidence to believe that intelligent life visits us and that our governments are hiding this fact from us, and of that, quite simply, we certainly do not...
     
  14. profezzor_x

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    I find it hard to believe that all the propaganda that's been generated and documented for well over 60 years from every corner of the world is some massive security blanket for humans to believe that we're not alone. There has to be some truth to even a fraction of some of it.

    Even the famous "Alien Autopsy" video where top scientific experts and investigators disect every being of that video, down to the production date of the film stock by Kodak, dating the props and equipment in the room, the way the autopsy is performed by the surgeon, the alien body and how it's layers of skin, muscle, tissue, bones, blood and internal organs cut like most organic beings - and it's content is convincing enough. Even the respective experts analyzing the film were convinced that everything in that video was authentic, including the body being operated on.
     
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    Perhaps the media-regulating government made E.T to slowly induce the masses into contemplation of the fact that alien life exists.
     
  16. lithium

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    That old chestnut, a very clever fake from the early 90s, we have even had an admission from the people who faked it detailing how they did it (google Ray Santilli). Again, long since debunked fakes, equivocal smudges on hazy videos, unusual phenomena caught on camera, the breathless detailing of misperceptions and unexplained experiences, none of this constitutes anything even remotely approaching "indisputable proof". What it does show is how eager people are to believe and how easily people in that condition are fooled. Keep an open mind I say, I am desperate to see some proper evidence, I'd be as thrilled as everyone else should this actually be true. But I suspect if it were true, we'd have much better evidence than these highly dubious snatches of half-glimsped somethings that we actually have...
     
  17. profezzor_x

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    Okay then, if you want to go back even further, how do you explain the crude cave drawings of UFOs from ancient civilizations dating back thousands of years ago? There was no government secrecy to hold back information about that kind of phenomenon. And these cavern drawings were carbon dated for authenticity to make sure they weren't hoaxes.

    And then there are the ancient Egyptian pyramids and how they are perfectly - and I do mean perfectly, aligned to the North, South, East and West long before measuring tools were invented.

    Let's also not forget about Stone Henge, and the strategically aligned magnetic mounds that all tie in to the magnetic field of this planet.

    And if these beings are as intelligent as you and I believe they are, who's to say they want to be seen, or don't have the technology to cloak themselves so they can't be seen to the naked eye? After all, there are so many spectrums of light that humans can't see, that it is conceiveable to create devices for just this purpose. Humans have only just now tapped into the ability to bend light and produce a crude version of invisibility by using specialized fabrics and other electronics. Surely if an advanced race of beings are capable of interstellar space travel, they can most certainly create devices to distract and deceive our "primative" minds.

    Oh and by the way, you never gave your explanation on the footage from the World Trade Center encounter.
     
  18. lithium

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    So many assumptions, so little evidence.

    So the ancients could draw stars, clouds, planets and circular objects in the sky or on the horizon ("crude" being the operative word here, note how any room for interpretation is filled with your definitive conclusion that this equivocal phenomenon must only be one particular thing). They could also observe the procession of the sun and the stars and could build impressive structures aligned with them... nup still not "indisputable evidence" of the visitations of extra terrestrial beings I'm afraid:)

    The WTC 'encounter' was a promo for the scifi channel using special effects and actors, I gave you several links to check it out:)
     
  19. Cate8

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    Well, fair's fair, right? We went to the moon. sheesh!
     
  20. profezzor_x

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    I think you're only skimming through the surface of what you saw, rather than listening to what was said in that Sci-Fi Channel promo. In the beginning of that promo the Sci-Fi Channel clearly stated that the footage was "obtained", and not generated by them. Further investigation from other sources analyzed the footage and proved it to be authentic, based on a number of varying factors such as: 1) The cameraman didn't focus on the questionable object clinging to the building until after the woman in the front seat noticed it and called it out. 2) When he did take notice, and the woman got in the way, the natural reaction for most people is to move out of the way of the obstruction to get a better view, which he did. 3) When the woman tracked the object, the cameraman followed it. 4) As the object moved past the helicopter, the air turbulance and pressure was visible by the cockpit being moved, and sonic vibration between both of the metal objects was heard during that precise moment of intersection. 5) When the object jetisoned by the helicopter, the propulsion trail did not move while the helicopter continued to move forward.

    As for those cave drawings and other significant pieces of artwork depicting UFOs, I think it would be easier to give you a link to a site that has quite a few of them, complete with sources, and dates (scroll 3/4 down to see the art):

    http://www.maya12-21-2012.com/ufo.html

    I guess you can believe whatever you want, but it makes no sense for thousands of people dating back thousands of years to fabricate something like this. And if you think that space travel is impossible due to the restrictions of travelling past the speed of light, then I suggest you look up Wormholes/Venderberg on Youtube.
     

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