stopping 'red, white and blue festival' 15th -17th august

Discussion in 'UK Parties and Protests' started by nerthus, Jul 23, 2008.

  1. nerthus

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    not at all, i'm sure the bnp will agree - the more the merrier!
     
  4. Jedite83

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    I am for doing things to fuck up those nazi bastards.
    Wish you all luck.
     
  5. nynysuts

    nynysuts No Gods, No Masters

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    I have a similar leaflet :D Thinking about it.
     
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    Hm. Having some problems with that statement and its suggestion that these people should not even be allowed to meet and discuss their worldview, however hateful we may find it. Singing fascist songs and marching around hedgerows in jackboots is not a crime and it would be a dangerous place to live where it was. Would we rather they met in secret where their ideas could fester and gain subversive power? Better to expose wrong ideas to the light of day. A protest may well be in order but this statement seems to be striking entirely the wrong tone. People should never be banned from thinking certain thoughts no matter how strongly we may disagree with them - that way danger lies.

    'I may hate what you say but I defend absolutely your right to say it'

    Always had a problem with "militant" anything ... don't become that with which you disagree...
     
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    At what stage does militant anti-fascism become legitimate self-defence though? I'm not suggesting violence is the best tactic to use against the new, polished, 'respectable' BNP. But what about the old National Front? What about the BUF? What about the SA? When does it become too costly to accept the right of dangerous hate groups to organise? No, people should never be banned from thinking certain thoughts. But when acting on such thoughts can lead to the oppression of minorities, threats to society, even genocide, it is entirely right, I think, that such actions be resisted....
     
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    Moreover, it's important to see a distinction between government banning certain actions and thoughts on the one hand, and a rival social group of equal (or in this case considerably lesser) influence attempting to apply a counter-force. This is clearly a case of the latter, and despite the threat of violence, it is a very different phenomenon from the monopoly of violence at the command of the state. The question here, of course, is the appropriateness of violence. In opposing the modern BNP, violence may well be counter-productive, but I do believe that where violence fascism persists there is a very necessary role to be played by militant anti-fascism....
     
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    Very disingenuous!


    You are using a flyer that says you want to make sure that this gathering does not take place?

    What are you a Red Fascist who doesn't believe in the right to assemble.

    Long live the Barons of Runnymeade. Long live the spirit of Runnymeade. Oh, fuck it. Long Live King John.


    Long live the Red and Black Flag.
     
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    The right to assemble is a given. It's the right to opposition that is at stake. Would you deny that right King John of Texas?
     
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    Not if this chap has his way. He wants to keep the NAZIs from assembling. You will also be better off if you assemble in opposition Super Narrator or whatever. Yours Truly, Kingfish, with a John, or is it a Jackson bar? lol Just remembered it is a Johnson bar.
     
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    Europe has another Nazi, another Hitler, and his name is Putin.
     
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