Get to the back of the CLASS

How do we divide class these days?

What constitutes being working class or middle class?

I'm asking this as there are plenty of working class people who would prefer to call themselves middle class.

Do people think that it is possible to change class when their situation changes?

 

im definitely upper-working-middle-upper-middle-working class....
and proud of it

 

I have no idea what I am. My mum is very middle class, and my dad is working class and I'm not sure what that makes me

 

You're just a bit of a nob, Bob

 

So are you MISTER!

 

Hmmmn



well class me ... I come from a very dysfunctional background with divorced parents who have been fairly well off .. I went to a mediocre public school ... I have always been provided for though not spolit .. have lived overseas for the 7 of the last 8 years taking from the soup kitchens verrrry occasionally amd contemplating not going on at a few points due to difficulties though always pulled through under my own steam .. one side of the family have no money anynore while the other may well be millionaires soon though have terminal issues within themselves .. I live mainly on the road and am happiest there living a frugle life but rich in so many ways that so many cant understand .. i hate snobbery and injustice and that is what i try to figh against in my life daily .. i have socialistic tendencies and want to save the world from destruction and when i get over myt current mind fuck will devote myself to that cause along with struggling to be an entertainer and performer.



i love people.


so class me on that infomation ..if you need more i will give it to you .. then when i know which class i am percieved as being in i will be able to answer your question i more subjectively i feel ..


peace paul ..



oh i am nuts too so does that make any answer from me invalid before i even begin???

 

i think we should class people on the basis of what ice cream they like...

 

i would say you were.. upper class trying to hide behind a working class masquerade of hippy values and socialist demonstration....

hehe just kidding.. dont hate me,

i don't think class means much anymore... the world has moved on from class we now find oursleves in a struggle of ideologies... and the same ideals are often shared by people from every class.

 

I will have to disagree..

The class divide is just as in place today as ever before, its just masked in Playstations, a couple of cars and working two jobs to keep the mortgage payments in place, and cheap package deals to Spain etc.

Proof? Wait till the next economic bust.

 

I tend to agree with this but at what stage does someone stop being working class and become the middle class? What would you say doctors, lawyers, self employed plumbers or accountants are?

Seriously as I really don't know?

 

I always have difficulty with this debate, as it has a lot to do with peoples aspirations these days...

I would say the middle classes are the doctors, officers in the forces, journalists, priests, small employers, management in the industries,teachers....

Us working class trash, I don't believe we should be defined by what we DO but by what is Done to us! But I suppose that's the factory workers, nurses, brickies, retail workers, bank clerks, computer operators, those in all the industries-electronics,engineering, chemical, steel etc

Trouble with all this is though these days, so many middle class folk want to be working class, the working class believe they're middle class and the rich just couldn't give a fuck!

 

Too true, I also remember my mum refusing to be called working class because she didn't work on a building site, even though she worked as a copy typist for a firm of stockbrokers.

I guess it's two-fold, there are plenty of people who were born working class and have never had the opportunity to move beyond that, but there are also people doing traditional working class jobs, such as plumbing, who are now middle class because of their tax status etc.

 

so surely the question should not be.. what class are you? but, whats your tax code?

 

What the hell does this matter ... all I see here is an attempt to pigeonhole and judge people according to what they do and how much they earn. Why? There is an underlying assumption that one class is better than another here ... which is the very definition of snobbery, whether you think the working class is more noble and important than the landed gentry or the other way around.

Why bother wasting time deciding what class someone is according to whether they are a teacher or a bricklayer ... will that affect the way you treat them?! If so, then that's prejudice. These are outdated and outmoded Marxist concepts. Open your mind a bit more... And to judge someone according to the social structure and class they were born into is prejudiced bollocks just as much as judging someone according to the colour of skin they were born with. Judge each according to his worth...

 

that sounds abit like your agreeing with my first statement mr jon...
yay!!! some 1 agrees with me.. now i dont feel like such a looser..

*lights a cigarette in a particularly smug fashion*

 

I HATE YOU! you fucker!








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Er no, read the thread again and you'll see I was simply answering a question and I didn't start the thread.

And I don't believe judging came into what I said one little bit. So brush that middle-class chip off your shoulder and chill.

Actually the thought of being prejudice against the sponging rich....erm, oh ok you're right. I'm prejudiced! So sue me!

Me? A fucking Marxist?

 

Now can we put this statement Showmet down to the fact you posted at 01:11am or what?

 

Bullshit. Class is something which exists, whether you like it or not. All the good will and fluffy ideals in the world won't change that fact. The upper class exploit the working class. Period.

Think this is prejudice? Check out the army. Next time some military brass is being interviewed, observe their accent. Pay attention to who's at the top of the combat food chain. The whole office class is upper class. The squaddies are all working class. Coincidence? I think not.

 

Perhaps you should mention that to the royal family? Think they must've missed the revolution.....