FRIDAYnight hipforumers!

Thats strange that you use the word wasted. When I trip I feel like I am doing the exact opposite of getting "wasted".

 

eh, we're all different cells in the brain, so . . :conehead:

 

I was wrong. Erowid says LSD does have some taste in a few places. (http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=2111) It's odorless, but not tasteless.

Nothing says it will be bitter from what I've found, and there are definitely a lot of reports of people getting distinctly bitter tasting "LSD" that lasts too long to be LSD, which are assumed to be DOB or something similar.

That's different than a mildly bitter taste like you mention. It sounds like it's very bitter when it's the other stuff. Maybe that metallic feeling could also be described as mildly bitter.

I doubt anyone would add other stuff with LSD to make blotter. If you have LSD, why mess with people by adding other stuff. I think the DOx stuff is used for blotter with people don't have LSD.

I have definitely felt (more than tasted) that metallic "taste" of acid. I wonder if that's really LSD taste or something about the solvent (alcohol or whatever) used to dissolve the LSD crystal, or some other by-product.

I've had a vial of very good liquid that tasted and felt like water (like nothing) too. Lately, the blotter I've found (which isn't exceptional) usually tastes like paper. So it'd lead me to thing that it's not the LSD that tastes metallic, but who knows.

 

Most of the acid I've had has no taste to the blotter. However several times it's had a noticeable taste, and trust me, it was still acid. How it's made may have something to do with it, Im not too sure. But the duration, the visuals, the body strangeness, the come up time, the introspection, etc was always exactly the same.
Just because a blotter tastes funny does not automatically mean it's an RC. The 'knowlege' going around here sometimes would be laughable if only it weren't so sad. Let's all do thumb prints, scorn blotter that has taste, turn into orange juice and go legally insane after 7 hits every one!

 

yea theres a good chance the taste depends on how its made...the acid i described to you was actually gel tabs not blotter so that could have made a difference. with one tab in my mouth the taste wasn't that noticable but with like 5 or 6 tabs at a time the bitterness really stood out

 

Yea, more than likely it's the solvent used as distributed on the paper. During the past 2 weeks I've tried blotter from 2 different sources, one was tasteless, the other slightly bitter. Both had the exact same effects in every way. If you know what LSD is you can tell immediatley as the drug takes hold what your in for. Only once in my life have I had blotters that though I dont know what chemical it was, it was definitley not LSD. The other time was 2c-e in capsules.

 

As for saying "fucked up" on LSD, that's definitely unfortunate language, but not the end of the world.

I think calling it a "sacrament" is also limiting. The word sacrament is closely tied to Christianity, although it can just mean something sacred. Sacred is really closely tied to religion, although it can just mean something worthy of respect. So, maybe calling LSD a sacrament is meant to call it "something worthy of respect," which I agree with, but the connotation would be tying it to Christ or religion, which I think it just as bad as using the term "fucked up."

I personally don't think that it's the substance that is so special, but something within ourselves or perhaps our collective consciousness which is released or allowed to be realized that is special. The substances are just allowing us to realize things that are there and that are beautiful without the substance. Again, my belief (not something I regard as fact), I don't think there's some spirit or consciousness in the substances we take, but that they help transform us to better understand our own spirit and consciousness.

I think it's fine if someone wants to believe that there's something in the substances that is beautiful even when it's not used by people, but I think it's kind of proselytizing to try to imply that others should believe that or that they are wrong if they don't.

 

Calling an acid trip fucked up, or getting wasted, is far from an inaccuracy. Have you ever tried speaking with someone who isnt tripping while your peaking on 8 hits of acid? Seriously, tell me you dont appear to be fucked up to that person.
Out of every trip on acid I've taken, the MAJORITY of the experience is nonsense, playful light show visuals, the sound of being underwater or being electrocuted, and feeling my body is like a big orgasm for 8+ hours. That is anything but divine and sacred.
But for me, it's always been magic mushrooms that have been the healer and the revealer. Acid does nothing for me other than cause sparkly bursts of neon circles, make me fall into dreamy states, and make the dumbest things in the world seem horrifyingly funny, and if that is not an egotistcal point to look down from, I dont know what is.
Mushrooms make me sit, barely able to speak, and take a ride through my own interpretation of Brahma.
Calling LSD a sacrament is pretty pointless if you truly believe in the oneness of God's Nature, and therefor everything you do or dont do is a sacrament when done with love as a motive. But in my experience, most people I know take LSD to have a crazy night of fun, music and laughter, basically a night of drinking except the group takes on group mind and you dont get rude to each other. Harmonizing and feeling happy. The people I have met who regard LSD as a religious thing only tend to be very proud of themselves and very closed minded towards other opinions.
But hey, it's all about feeling good when it comes down to the real reason we all eat this drug.
God Bless +

 

Wow....that's kind of harsh. Is there anything I said that could be equated to those myths? I think I mostly agree with what you said in my post...that it's not the LSD but probably something used in the process like the solvent, and that if it was DOx it would last much longer and be very bitter. (I didn't want to say that if it was a DOx it would probably be unpleasant, since she already took it.)
I know I was wrong when I said it had no taste, but I think in effect, in any reasonable dose, the LSD itself has no taste.

 

Yea that was rude what I said, but it wasnt directed to you. It was directed to the people in this forum who post frequently and reveal nothing more than their isolated sense of superiority and there unfounded mystical mind mastery, sharing inaccuracies and labeling them as fact.
Like this :

or this :

This kind of people are who that was directed at

 

it took me a while to see what you were saying with this. at first it just seemed you were as closed minded as those you refer to by labelling shrooms as one thing and lsd as another in terms of divine potential. But you're talking about how lsd is generally used around you, and that others tend to use it as a way to unite more cohesively. That makes sense since that is usually the goal of people getting together to use a drug. LSD seems to give one more of a feeling of control, so that you can just chill indoors or do what you want. This ability could lend itself to a feeling of self-satisfaction, that the whole world is yours. I don't think this is bad in itself, but a person can def. misuse it and close themselves off to others' opinions. It is good and natural to love oneself, but only the brand of self-love that sees no distinction between love of self and love of others.

Perhaps LSD is simply more versatile than shrooms. Spiritual ecstasy is just as attainable but also so is chilling with friends and passing the time by. If shrooms are typically more entheogenic in nature, you might say they are more inherently a sacrament than lsd, but that's not to say one can't use lsd for equally great degrees of transcendentalism.

If people can use a "sacrament" for trivial reasons they will, which is why you see others using lsd for nonspiritual reasons. I think it's harder to use the sacrament of shrooms for nonspiritual reasons, which is why it might be more revered as spiritual in nature. For me it just means shrooms are more limiting.

to peacegrow: I have to disagree when you say that calling lsd a sacrament is just as limiting as calling it fucked up. Sure christianity uses the word sacrament, but they didn't invent it. If you see that christianity's and all religious sacraments have their roots in primitive nomads taking an entheogen and receiving divine energy, the knee-jerk reaction is not to think of a sectarian context but instead what is most authentic and indigenous and ancient to humanity. But w/e I know you were just describing the typical connotations that come to mind in our modern era, and the rest of your post I found great.

I agree that we shouldn't proselytize or think that if someone is using psychs nonspiritually that they are using them wrongly, but I think we owe it to inform them of the vast spiritual potentials (at the risk of sounding deluded). I think it'd be dumb to keep it to ourselves or keep the transcendence a secret of sorts. But the mistake here is convey everything through speech or debate when it's better to show our changed hearts through nonlinguistic energies, to show others the absolute contentment and stillness of being that psych drugs help make possible.

 

Burn Im not saying there is anything at all wrong with using LSD in a spiritual way. What Im saying is that the criticizing of others who use it simpmly for fun is a very negation of that supposed spirituality. Magic mushrooms are deeply spiritual for me, but I dont talk down to people who take them just to get high and act as if my manner of taking them are the only right way, or the only worthwhile manner. Telling someone "have fun getting fucked up" with such an obvious air of sarcasm is entirely rude and while rudeness does not automatically deserve an equal response, it is something that lately has been very frequent on this forum. I should have left my opinion to myself, or shared it in a more accepting manner, but this act that LSD is a spiritual medicine and that those of us who dont take it and act out a spiritual program according to someone else's perscription are less deserving or less understanding of the drug's purpose is simply nonsense.
No one understands the nature of LSD. We dont even know entirely how it works on our minds and our souls. We all perceive reality differently and have our own opinions, and if someone feels like taking LSD to have a fun night with their boyfriend, why should they receive negative flack for wanting to express their excitement? I dont see how the OP of this thread deserves such responses as 'who the fuck cares'.
God Bless +

 

yeah I know. I conceded such with "I agree that we shouldn't proselytize or think that if someone is using psychs nonspiritually that they are using them wrongly"

I really wasn't commenting on the context you responded with. That portion of your sentiment I fully agree with. I think people will take lsd, have a good trip (albeit nothing more than music and video games) and feel smug since they tripped well, and use it to perpetuate their superiority because they handled lsd well. And since they know that others talk about lsd being spiritual, they feel victorious in how they tripped. These after-feelings do not indicate a genuinely divine experience at all but a psuedo one. Some one who feels like they "one-upped" someone else in a psychedelic playing field is someone who is fully returning to ego-reality.

I think if I could relocate one word in your comments there would be no disagreement on my part:

The people I have met who regard LSD as only a religious thing tend to be very proud of themselves and very closed minded towards other opinions.

bahhh! I'm an idiot. you were saying the exact same thing I just read it "they only tend to be proud of themselves..."

 

I like how you said it, victorious! Hell yes

 

it's a real shame the LSD forum has turned into a haven for belligerant morons practically foaming at the mouth when people post just to express their anticipation for a night of fun.

sad really...

so much for your so called "spirituality" eh?

that's one Path I wont be subscribing to...the Path of...

:conehead: <-- (ego inflation)

 

obviously some more than others, but i think any psychedelic drug can be used in a spiritual manner. imo, psychedelics act as a key and show you the door in your mind. however, one must choose to walk through it.

 

hehe i agree

 

word, 4k. If a person actually believed duck poo would make them trip out, and accepted the fact with every cell of their body, then duck poo would make them trip out. But in that case the duck poo didn't make them trip out but their expectations.

Does anyone wonder if maybe psilocybin mushrooms aren't inherently psychedelic, but that some group of shamans thousans of years ago needed a sacrament to go along with a mystical journey they took people on. It wasn't the shrooms that made them trip but the expectation to trip and the inner divinity of those present came forth made it happen. And people had the experience and took these regular shrooms as a symbolic act and after awhile their neurochemistry tied the mushroom with the mystical experience. Then people just ate the shroom and the brain triggered the psychedelia, not unlike Pavlov's dog's saliva coming forth just from a ringing bell. Or other symbolic sacraments might have been peyote, ergot fungus, etc.

So we take them today and the chemical signature is still recognized by our brains and triggers a trip. hehe it seems ridiculous but who knows? I'm just kinda high on oc's at the moment:cheers2:

 

Owned.

 

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