How Big Brother watches your every move

Why do private companies need our personal information? It's pretty unnecessary, intrusive and we don't know how careless and reckless they are going to handle or dispose of it.

Multi-national banks violate privacy laws on a daily basis. It happens every day that somebody's personal information was found by a private enterprise or media somehow and used for purposes than it was initially given for.

 

Because, as I said before, the private corporations and the government work hand in hand. Why do you think they want people's information? I mean, are you being serious when you ask that question?

 

Aww gee, they just want to know what kind of potato chips you like, or beer an' shit right?
Or like, they just track us to provide more accurate census figures ( mass migration habits and so on).

no worrys

 

Yeah... the government just wants to give you some lovin'. They care about you.

 

No, it was completely rhetorical. Next time I'll indicate rhetoric with an inflection in my voice.

What I really don't understand is US exit polls. What is the point of that anyway? I mean, who answers that crap?

 

Labels or not, your political views are those of an anarcho-capitalist. You don't believe the state should run anything right? In addition, no, you can't simply go on about government and business being one and the same, because it isn't that simple. There are plenty of political parties who answer to different industry and union lobbyists. Regulation is the state dictating the boundaries of a product/service, deregulation is the state not doing so. The comment you made about collecting census data being 'the government just showing you some love' is the same rhetoric you use with just about anything, census data is pretty neutral. Of course the information would be used by police, and it is pretty infringing on liberties and privacy, but my point was that we willingly do this so many times a day that it's a non-argument, not only that, but spin tends to be put on the whole thing to imply that it's all one entity that has the data when it isn't.

 

The state running the corporations results in the same thing as the corporations running the state. Anarcho-capitalist (or whatever you call it) is a silly label and it does not describe me. I am no more a capitalist than I am a communist. I am neither of those things. Again, once you see outside of the dialectic, you realize that all sides are administered for a reason. The entire money system is nothing more than a magic trick; a con game. It's the ability for an elite few to print money out of nothing, while charging interest on that money, keeping governments and people alike in debt and thus subservient to that matrix system. Yet nobody questions this system. The money system is an inhumane system in general. However, I also understand that socialism and communism (the supposed "opposition" to capitalism in the dialectic) are nothing more than monopoly capitalist schemes sold to the public as being for the greater good and as the answer to capitalist greed.

So no, I am not a capitalist, as that is just one piece of the dialectic. But I am also not a socialist. Again, both are administered by the same few people. The West, via London and Wall Street, funded Communism into existence through the Bolshevik Revolution, just like they funded Hitler and the Third Reich.

What we have in the West today is not purely capitalistic or socialistic. It's moving in the direction of the Third Way, which is really a merger between capitalism and communism, resulting in a form corporate fascism and neo-feudalism administered under a form of scientific socialism.

 

Not this shit again.

Let me just get it out there now:
Over 80% of CCTV cameras in the UK are PRIVATELY owned.. so it is NOT the big brother government tracking you.

And as for all the other stuff.. bank cards, mobile phones etc.. yes it sucks but we choose to use those things and accept that private companies are logging information - usually for marketing. I do disagree with this principle though and I always tick the box to opt out of marketing and I read company privacy policies before signing anything.

And frankly all I can say is that if you're going to do something illegal don't be a retard and don't use (or take) your mobile phone or your own internet connection to do it. The government couldn't care less if you want to talk about your foot fetish on the internet but if you're going to do illegal things then all the information is going to bite you on the arse.

However, on the bright side, the government is actually stepping in to LIMIT the amount of information that companies can hold. We also have something called the Data Protection Act which allows any UK citizen to ask to view all information held about them. I.e. I can write to my ISP and ask to see all information they have about me. I can also request that they destroy the info or correct any inaccuracies. Everybody has this right, but with the sheer volume of information, nobody bothers.

 

80% of all CCTV cameras in the UK are not "privately owned." That is not true in the least. While some are privately-owned, many of them still used by the government through these private companies that own the cameras.

If you go to Google and type in "London CCTV cameras, 80%," all you will come up with is articles talking about how 80% of crimes in London remain unsolved, despite the cameras.

 

money and power are fun, especially when they are stolen from the individual, and the individual is made to believe they are better off without either.

 

Rat

Anarcho-capitalist (or whatever you call it) is a silly label and it does not describe me. I am no more a capitalist than I am a communist. I am neither of those things.

But most of your views are extremely right wing and lean toward the right wing libertarian as has been shown on many occasions the problem is that you don’t like to talk about your views in an open or honest way because it becomes very obvious very quickly just how much you ideas would favour wealth.

Oh you try to hide it behind anti-elite rants but you never seem able to address the accusations and criticisms of your views let alone refute them.

Why is that?

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This is one of Rats ‘hot’ buttons and I’ve tried to discuss the subject with Rat a number of times over the last few years and guess what he does some nice ranting, but in the end he runs away.

Thing is people like to use this ‘hot’ subject it to further their own agenda they may not even be interested in it, this can be clear if they don’t actually have any solutions if they were interested they would do but if they’re only using it for other purposes they won’t. Others don’t want to mention their solutions because in fact they’re not solutions at all.

Either way any meaningful discussion on their part on the real issues and possible solutions are not forthcoming.

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Ok Rat what would you do?

Thing is that many local authorities, police authorities, educational authorities, transport authorities, health authorities etc turned to surveillance technology because of the drive for smaller government. The authorities were told to cut back on costs and cctv’s etc, did that. If you had one person watching a hundred monitors, you could do away with the hundreds of eyes (and the human attached) that used to watch or guard those areas. In my youth there used to be such things as park attendants, building attendants, car park attendants etc. They have virtually all been replaced with cctv’s.

Same with traffic control, police authorities found they could free up police from traffic duty to do other things by having cameras instead. And at the same time cameras could monitor full time whereas a police car might be able to remain at one point for a limited time. Again in my youth it was common to see a police officer or car parked up somewhere at a certain time (around schools as home time) as a means of traffic calming, now people know that speeding or jumping lights will get them a fine anytime night or day.

However (as others have pointed out) the majority of cctv’s in the UK are privately owned, of the cameras I get caught on during a day that actually ‘see’ my face are privately owned. The two in the corner paper shop the ones on my privately operated bus, the one in my bank, the ones in the coffee shop the ones in the supermarket. Then there are other ones that might ‘catch’ a glimpse of me, the ones watching the doors of company office blocks.

Again this was begun as a cost cutting exercise.

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So what are your ideas Rat, what would be your solution(s)?

I’ve got a few ideas, because this is a subject I’m interested in, it’s not just a ‘hot’ key to press in an effort to further another agenda….but I’ll let you go first.

 

Why are you compelled to lie and say that 80% of the CCTV cameras in London are privately-owned. That is simply not true, and even many of the ones that are privately-owned are publicly-funded and monitored by government agencies.

 

Rat

You seem to be running away again?

So what are your ideas Rat, what would be your solution(s)?

 

It's been my experience Odon that your arguments prove vague and undocumented most of the time.

 

Hey Balbus we've been sold other bad ideas like deregulation of utilities in California...that was supposed to save us money...did it? We were sold privatization of military in war zones, we were told HMOs were the answer to health care costs and we've seen how much that saves us.

I find the unauthorized, surveillance of individuals the most basic of infringements of individual rights, and should never be justified, whether for national security, or cost savings, there is no good reason to do it... you would only take part in it if you wished to sell the data to marketers for profit, or you are subverting common justice and personal privacy.

 

It has now been my experience you resort to use vile words to make your point.
Which is much worse than being vague or undocumented.
Which I think you are guilty of a whole lot more than I am.

Perhaps sometimes when I am working with the worst thought out conspiracy or thoughts a human can come out with.
Yes, I am vague.
I do try and work with them though.
It is not easy sometimes.

Maybe you did not see the other thread where PR maintained there were 4.2 million cameras in London.
Then thought Middlesborough was in London.
Because he read on infowars something about that and anything connected with England they assume it is in London.
He then even posted a link where it did not say what he was intermating.
I gave him the opportunity to correct himself. Failed.

Notice how he has not attempted to back up anything in the original post.
Choosing to repeat his well worn arguement unrelated to the e.gs in the original post.
He is even wrong about the 80% ...
But on the CCTV issue I've decided It would be a waste of time attempting to tell him this.
Oops I guess I have now.
Ask him to back that up and not be so vague, and see where it gets you.
Mmm, you'll probably buy it knowing you.

 

Noone can make Odon stop and think

 

I do though.
Perhaps more than a lot of people do.
But, true, we are all guilty of sticking with our POV come rain or shine.
Maybe you could point out where I have not stopped and thought and I can attempt to elucidate my point more clearly.

 

No, Odon, I made a simple mistake by saying there are 4.2 million cameras in London. There are in fact 4.2 million cameras in all of the UK, however, which is more than any other country.

 

time to destroy some cameras