God Vs Awareness

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  1. param

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    BlackBillBlake;

    Veda says that God wished to create this world (Sa Ekshata..). People thought that this Vedic statement means that God is awareness and not inert energy or matter because awareness alone can wish. This means that the medium of God is not inert. This means that the medium of God is awareness. The final conclusion is that God enters a living being as the medium and neither the inert statues nor the inert light etc.,(energy). Veda never speaks about the nature of original God because Veda has already spoken elaborately that the nature of God is unimaginable. The Vedic statements regarding the nature of the medium are misunderstood to be the statements regarding the nature of original God.

    In Veda it is said that God wished to create this world (Sa ekshata..). People thought that God must be awareness due to the will, because awareness alone can wish. It is also said that God burns all the creation in the end as per Brahma Sutra (Attaa charaachara….). This does not mean that God is the inert fire.

    The creation contains various items. Each item is having certain prescribed qualities. All the items and their qualities are generated from God only. By the will of God only, a quality exists in a particular item. No item has any inherent quality by itself. It is by the order of God only that an item has a particular quality. If God wishes the qualities may change. By the will of God fire may become cold and water may become hot. In the world you are recognizing the item by its quality thinking as if that quality is inherent of that item only. The worldly logic is not standard because it is based on the will of God only.

    This worldly logic cannot be applied to the case of God, who is omnipotent to change the quality of any item. God being the source of all the qualities, God can posses any quality and due to that God need not be that item possessing the quality as seen in this world. Without being awareness, God can wish. Without being fire, God can burn anything. Hence, you should not apply the logic of identifying items by their qualities to God as in the case of this world. A quality indicates the potential work of the item. Burning is the quality and also is the potential work of the item. Therefore, God can have any quality and is potent to do any work.

    Veda says that God can run without legs and can catch without hands (Apaani Paado….). According to the worldly logic, the item that runs must have legs and the item that catches must have hands. But God runs without legs and catches without hands. This means that God is beyond the worldly logic and hence is unimaginable.
     
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    God is the permanently unknowable region even for the intelligence enriched with science and logic.

    The Universe is infinite with unimaginable beginning and unimaginable end. This means the cause from which the Universe started and the same cause in which the Universe ends on dissolution is the unimaginable God. Mud is the beginning stage of the pot and also the end stage since the pot ends in the mud on destruction. The Universe exhibits the unimaginable God by its unimaginable limits of beginning and end. The space is generated from God and the dissolution of space can only show the real nature of its cause (God).

    When the chain is dissolved in fire, then only the gold lump, which is the cause of the chain, appears in its original form. But even if you imagine for millions of years, you can never imagine the dissolution of space and therefore you can never imagine the original nature of God. God is beyond space and God is the permanently unknowable region even for the intelligence enriched with science and logic.

    Hence, God is a permanent wonder and the creation consists of some knowable regions of knowledge without any wonder and also some temporarily unimaginable regions with temporary wonder. Now the word Maya can be used for the wonder, which is both permanent (God) and which is temporary also (the deeper layers of the world up to the space).

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    How can God be unimaginable?

    If a student comes and asks the preacher “What is God?” and the preacher says, “God is Unimaginable”; then the student asks again “How God created this world?” and the preacher says, “The process of creation is unimaginable”; the student will think that the preacher does not know the answers for his questions and will leave the preacher. This is the practical problem in revealing the absolute truth. The preacher should say the answers in positive way and the answers should satisfy the logical faculty of the student. Now you should analyze the basis of such logical faculty of the student. The basis is the observation of this world containing all imaginable items only. Hence all his logic is based on the observation of the nature of imaginable items and the relationships between the imaginable items only. This means that the preacher should say that God is an imaginable item and the imaginable process of generation of the imaginable world from imaginable God is in imaginable way only. Every sentence of the preacher should be imaginable to the student and then only the student gets satisfied.

    The introduction of the word “Unimaginable” by the preacher leads the student to think that the preacher is ignorant. Hence to satisfy the student and to solve this practical problem, the preacher has to make certain assumptions and should preach about God through hypothesis only and not through real theory.

    The reality is that the unimaginable God created the world through unimaginable way.

    But to satisfy the student the hypothesis introduced here is that God is pure awareness. Here the infinite ocean of pure awareness is an assumption created because there is no proof of such ocean of awareness anywhere because you can find only the infinite ocean of inert energy. The infinite ocean of awareness is created by the preacher and such ocean charged by God can be treated as God Himself like the live wire treated as current. Now the student is satisfied.

    Similarly, the creation of world from God should be also done through the imaginable way answering all the objections through imaginable ways only. This makes again the creation of another assumption for the process of creating the world by God. The assumption here is that a second unimaginable item called as the power of God is created which is modified into the world. Since the power is negligible, the world is negligible and maintains the existence of single God or Brahman. It is like the dream of a person created by the modification of the mind and the mind is negligible compared to the materialistic person. In course of time to satisfy the logic of students, changes in the hypothesis are made by Ramanuja and Madhva who introduced the assumption of a separate material, which is modified as the world without any connection to God.

    The hypothetical assumptions can be varied for the sake of preaching the truth to the students in order to satisfy their logic developed from the observation of the world containing only imaginable items. This does not mean that the theories are different.

    There is only one real theory that both God and the link between God and world are unimaginable.

    But the preaching requires complete elimination of the word unimaginable and the whole preaching should continue with the assumptions of imaginable items and imaginable relationships between those imaginable items only. In such case all the assumptions are not true at all in the absolute sense. In such case you need not misunderstand that the three Acharyas are differing from each other with different theories of truth. The same truth is explained in different ways with different created assumptions of hypothesis for the sake of understanding of various types of mentalities of the students which are always based on the constant observation of imaginable items only (Ekam Sat Viprah bahudha vadanti…..Veda).

    The final truth is known to Anjaneya who did not like to preach the truth through assumptions and hence kept silent in preaching. He showed the essence of all the divine knowledge through action (Karma) only because Karma can only be real and fruitful. His recognition of contemporary human incarnation and practical service to Him is the essence of the message of Anjaneya. For those who cannot accept the human incarnation, Shankara preached the divine knowledge with several assumptions and the most powerful assumption is that the soul itself is God. Shankara preached atheists and this powerful assumption attracted them to come and at least here the subject. All the Acharayas followed this method of preaching by assumptions to various levels of students who are based on the logic of imaginable items only.

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    The link between God and World is unimaginable

    God is unimaginable. The link between the soul and world with God is also unimaginable because a link between two imaginable items only becomes imaginable.

    The actions of God are also unimaginable since the actions of imaginable items are only imaginable. The only imaginable region is about all the items of the world and relationships between those items and the dead boundary of this world (imaginable region) is space. In this imaginable region there may be some temporary unimaginable regions, which are not analyzed today but one day or other those regions will be analyzed by the science. The unimaginable region for an ignorant person may be simultaneously imaginable to a scholar like the technology of an electronic instrument. Of course, even today, there are certain unimaginable regions even for scholars in the deeper planes of the science of world. Such planes will be known to scholars (Scientists) after some time by the grace of God, because such planes are within the limits of the space. The scientist is misled at this precise point.

    Some time back, he did not know certain deeper planes of the world. Now he succeeded in analyzing those unknown planes. Due to this, scientist becomes blind with ego. Based on this success, he feels that he will analyze the final truth of the unimaginable limits of infinite space (world) in future on some day. This is not correct. The reason for this is that the planes which were not known to him and which are now known to him are within the limits of space only. Still, there are more deeper planes which are not known as on today. In the case of these planes, I assure the success for the scientist because these planes are also within the limits of space. But he should know that on any day he cannot cross the dead limits of space and God is beyond such space.

    Since God is the generator of space (Atmana Akashah..Veda), we can touch the edge of God only in the unimaginable limits of the space. We can say that once we have touched the limits of space we have touched God.

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  5. killuminati

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    God IS the world.

    God is vibrations acting at different frequencies and durations.
     
  6. BlackBillBlake

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    The Veda also says God is SAT CHIT ANANDA - Ie, God not only has awareness, but is awareness.
     
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    The word Sat denotes the existence of the primordial energy in the deep sleep storing the information. The word chit denotes the awareness functioning in the states of awakening and dream. The word Ananda is intensive happiness received at the end of the deep sleep and in the beginning of the awakened state. Thus Sat-chit-ananda are the characteristics of the primordial energy only called as Atman or Brahman and not the characteristics of the original unimaginable God because the characteristics of the unimaginable God are also unimaginable.
     
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    The pure awareness (soul) is not God

    The word Maya has another meaning also. It means that which does not exist (Ya Ma Sa Maya). This does not mean that the temporarily wonderful deeper layers of Prakruti (universe) do not exist. If you say like that, it contradicts the practical experience of the world. This also does not mean that the permanently wonderful God does not exist because it contradicts the scriptures and also the proof of the scriptures given by God descending through human form. Then what is the place of application of this alternative meaning? We have said that God generated the world and that God is both designer (Nimitta) and material cause (Upadanam) of the world.

    If God is the material cause, a portion of God must have been modified into the world and in such case God is a little lesser than what He was. This is impossible (Purnamevaavashishyate…..Veda). If God remained the same even after the creation, the world should have been totally unreal because the material in the world must be unreal since it was not supplied from God. In such case there is no entertainment for God from the non-existent world. Even for God world has to exist for the sake of entertainment with real material in it.

    In such case if the bloody soul says that the world is non-existent for it, it is highly mock, since the soul itself is a part of the creation. Thanks to science for the investigation of robot by which it is clearly proved that the pure awareness is simply a special work form of the inert energy working in a special technology. This helped a lot to understand that the pure awareness is only an item of the creation and not the creator beyond the space.

    To remove this contradiction neither we can accept the real modification of God nor accept a separate independently existing material of the world, which is not generated from God. The followers of Ramanuja mocked at the concept of Shankara on this point that said that God is the material cause of the world. In order to avoid such criticism, Shankara has already told that God is the material cause through His power called as Maya. Hence, the power of God (Maya) is modified and not the original God.

    The solar energy captured by the photochemical cell is modified into electrical energy and this does not mean that the sun is modified into electricity. Therefore, the third item (power of God) is now created as the meaning of the word Maya. The power of God is also wonderful and is also a permanently unimaginable item like God, which is beyond space and can never be analyzed by the science.

    The follower of Ramanuja is again mocked by the followers of Madhva (along with the followers of Shankara also) who objected the modification of power of God. When the modification of power of God is treated as body of God by Ramanuja, the modification of the body of God is also equally objectionable like the modification of God directly. Ramanuja treated the modification product of the power of God as the body of God. In such case, the changes in the inert world and the sins of the souls also affect the body of God since Ramanuja treated souls also as a part of the body. In order to avoid all this criticism totally, Madhva treated the material of the world as a separate independent item like mud and God is treated as only the pot maker (designer). This ended the criticism finally and the process of creation is explained well without any objection to all the devotees.

    At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

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    Best suitable item for explaining unimaginable God is Awareness

    Since, there is full freedom in selecting any knowable item to represent God, the best suitable item for explaining the status of the unimaginable God is awareness according to Shankara. As long as the awareness stands as the simile, there is no harm in selecting it to represent God even though it is not eternal. If awareness serves the purpose of explanation of the actions of God, we need not worry about its longevity. The age of a doctor is immaterial if he is capable of doing the surgery needed by the patient. It becomes an irrelevant point.

    The awareness (Soul) is like the current and Jeeva, a bundle of very strong qualities is like the chip of information. Jeeva is eternal because even during the deep sleep the information is stored in the inert chip, which is expressed as it is even after the deep sleep. Jeeva is eternal even during the time of death and after death also he is eternal since he leaves the gross body. In the beginning of Gita, the Lord described about this eternal Jeeva only and not about the awareness, which is born and dies daily (Athachainam..).

    The Lord referred to the ordinary human being only and hence it is not the context of a realized soul, which is a fresh disc without any information, which was erased by lot of effort. There is no much difference between a fresh inert disc and inert current except that the former is matter and the latter is energy (the concept of storing information by energy is also indicated by the electro magnetic disc). Since matter and energy are essentially one and the same, you can call both these together as a realized soul. But once the information recorded on the chip exists, such chip of information (Jeeva) predominates and hence is mainly referred in any ordinary human being. You have superimposed the information (Jeeva) on the disc (Atman) and hence the disc also means information only. The gross body is superimposed on Jeeva and Jeeva is superimposed on Atman. The gross body (Deha) is separated from Jeeva and Atman but Jeeva and Atman are not separated and are together called as the possessor of the gross body (Dehi).

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    Reasons for selecting awareness as the representative for God

    What made Shankara to select the awareness as the representative for God? God created this world for entertainment and therefore God must be treated as awareness to enjoy His own creation as in the case of a daydreamer who enjoys his own imaginary world. The mud cannot enjoy the beauty of pot though the pot is its own creation because mud is inert. I know you will immediately exploit this point without any patience and straightly say that the awareness is God. There are several opposing points for this, which are like the temporary life of awareness, the dependability of awareness on food, air and nervous system etc. Such opposing points will immediately control you from drawing such hasty conclusion. You must remember that awareness is only a representative of God to explain certain actions of God like entertainment etc. God can enjoy the creation-dream without being awareness.

    Do not forget that God is omnipotent. Do not bind God by your rules of physical world and its consequent logic. If God is a worldly item, definable by the four dimensional space-time model, certainly your logic is valid. If I say some scene entertains a worldly object, certainly you can say that the object cannot be inert. The actions of unimaginable God are also unimaginable as stated by Veda “Apanipado….” which means that God can run without legs and can catch without hands. If you apply the same worldly logic, you will object to this and say that God must have legs and hands to run and catch. Similarly, when we say that God is wishing to create the world or when we say that God is enjoying His creation, you should accept that God wishes and enjoys without being awareness. Therefore, do not try to make God imaginable or knowable by applying the logic of the physical world. Veda clearly says that He is beyond logic (Atarkyah….., Naisha tarkena…etc.,).

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    Awareness selected by Shankara to represent God exists in lower living beings like birds and animals

    The awareness selected by Shankara to represent God exists in lower living beings like birds and animals, average living beings like human beings and high living being like Human Incarnation. The awareness in birds and animals is ruled out because the birds and animals cannot create an imaginary world for entertainment like a daydreamer. Their logic is very much limited and minimum pertaining to search for food shelter only. The average living being like a human being can imagine a world of its own and enjoy it with full control in a daydream. Therefore, the animals and birds are filtered from the doctrine of Shankara. The human being can be also in a state of simple awareness without imagination like a bird or animal. Hence, the bird or animal is also included in the human being where as the human being does not cover the range of animals or birds. You need not worry about ten rupees in a note of twenty rupees because ten rupees are included in twenty rupees.

    By the same logic, if you proceed to a superhuman being like Krishna, the ordinary human being is also included in the superhuman being. The doctrine of Shanakra based on awareness and its imagination exists in the superhuman being also. In the ordinary human being the doctrine of Shankara is purely theoretical only because neither the awareness in the human being is actually God, nor the imaginary world in the human being is actually the world. Therefore, the ordinary human being stands only as a simile for the concept of Shankara and as usual the concept is forgotten and the simile remains as the concept. The bride escaped from the house and the rose flower exists in her place ready for marriage! If you go to the case of the superhuman being, God charges his awareness and His imagination is exactly the physical world. Here you are finding the bride with rose color looking like a rose flower. The concept and simile merged with each other. The simile acts as the medium to convey the concept.

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    God Vs Awareness

    God being the Creator of all entities, all properties and all works and also being the Designer of their specific associations, cannot be concluded to be mere awareness due to the work form of wish.

    Simply based on the wish to create the world, you should not decide that God is awareness. God can do everything, whereas the awareness cannot do everything. God can wish anything and also can burn anything simultaneously. Awareness can only think anything but cannot burn anything. If you say that God is awareness, since God wished, you have to say that God is fire since He burns anything. God is the source of all items, all qualities and all works in the creation. By the order of God only, a specific item is associated with a specific quality and corresponding specific work. The fire is an entity. Its quality is heat. Its work is to burn anything.

    The fire is associated with the property of heat and the work of burning only by the will of the Lord. If God wishes, the fire is no more hot and cannot burn anything. If God wishes, the water gets the property of heat and starts burning everything. You can identify the entity through the specific property or specific work based on the already sanction of God. Since God is the creator of all entities, all properties and all works, God can attain any quality and can do any work. In such a case, you have to conclude that God is every item in this creation. The Brahma Sutra (Ikshateh…) means, that God enters the item qualified by awareness. It means that God does not enter into a non-living being. The awareness is the broad step of the address of God existing in the specific medium. This is the basic point where Advaitins slipped and their basic confusion continued throughout their philosophy.
     
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    The word ‘Sat’, meaning the existence, denotes the basic inert energy, which was created by God in the beginning. It is the power of the God, which is wonderful and hence is called as Maya, which did not contain any design of the world. Before the creation of this power, God alone existed (Ekameva… the Veda). This inert energy developed the design of the world, when it is associated with its special form called as awareness. The association of any property with any item is only due to God and should not be claimed as the characteristic of any entity. Any property becomes characteristic of any item as long as God wishes. This was proved by God to all angles in the Veda, where God appeared as Yaksha. Thus the energy (sat) acquired this property of awareness (chit) by the will of God only. Since I used the statement “will of God”, you should not say that God is awareness. God is unimaginable and is the source of all items and all associated or characteristic properties. God need not be awareness to wish. This logic applies to all the items of the creation. If some created item wished, you can say that, that item should be awareness. God is the source of awareness. Awareness is only a property or a special work form of energy. Both the energy and awareness are created by God. God is the root source.

    ‘Sat’, which is the inert energy existed in the beginning before the first creation (Sadeva – the Veda). It is also called as ‘Asat’ (Asadvaa Idam - the Veda) because the design was absent in it. When the ‘sat’ acquired ‘chit’ property, the design of the world was created in it (Tatovai sadajayata – the Veda). The first word ‘sat’ denotes the inert energy. It is also called as ‘asat’ due to absence of design. The second word ‘sat’ denotes the design, when the energy acquired the ‘chit’ property. All this is about the stage before the first creation.
     
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    God does not live in this world but enters the world for the requirement of a few devotees


    (God does not live in this world but enters the world for the requirement of a few devotees, being omnipotent, but preaching benefits all).

    God is beyond creation and hence God does not exist in the world as supported by Veda (Neti Neti..), Gita (Natvaham teshu…) and Christian scripture which says that God does not live in this world. This only means that everything and every body in the world is not God. But this does not mean that God will not enter the world. Veda says that God enters the world (Tadevaanupraavishat). If you say that somebody is not residing in the city of Bombay, it does not mean that he will never visit Bombay. However, the above scriptural statements deny your all pervading God! The visit of God into this world is justified by the requirement and desire of certain top devotees.

    If you object the entry of God by rule, you are opposing the omni potency of God. Suppose you object the entry of God by establishing the lack of requirement for any devotee, it is also absurd. You may not require the entry of God but how can you deny the requirement of others, who need entry of the God for the sake of personal service? The entry of God is not for the sake of all human beings but it is for the requirement of a few devotees. You cannot generalize the policy of requirement to all the human beings. However, even though God comes to satisfy a few devotees only, He preaches the spiritual knowledge that benefits all. You can be also benefited by taking Him in the level of preacher only through personal discussions.
     
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    The analysis of any item of creation, cannot even touch God


    The link between unimaginable and imaginable does not exist in the world and since it is unimaginable, the support of creation is not touched.

    The link between two imaginable items is imaginable as available in the creation. The link between two unimaginable items is unimaginable but such a link is meaningless since the two unimaginable items can be conveniently merged into one unimaginable item. The link between an unimaginable item and an imaginable item is also unimaginable because of the non-availability of such a link in creation. Therefore, self analysis or for that matter, the analysis of any other item of creation, cannot even touch God. Therefore, taking God as the support of the entire creation, you cannot make efforts to touch God by going down through any item of creation, applying deep analysis. There is no doubt that God is the basic support of the entire creation. But since there is no direct touch of God with the creation, due to the unimaginable link between God and creation, God cannot be touched by penetrating the unimaginable link. The ultimate item that can be touched by the deep analysis is only the primordial energy (cosmic energy). But since this primordial energy is inert, it cannot be treated as God.
     
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    Neither did God enter the world, nor did any characteristic of God enter the world



    The temptation to touch the cause through the analysis of the effect fails in the case of unimaginable God and imaginable world. Even the Brahma Sutras and Shankara have given a suitable simile of a magic master here.

    There is a temptation for everybody to think that there is a possibility of touching God through the analysis of creation because God is the cause and the world is the effect. This temptation is justified if the cause and effect are linked to each other by logic as in the case of mud and the pot, or gold and the chain, etc. The cause and effect in the world are both imaginable items. The characteristics of the cause are seen in the effect also since the cause spontaneously enters the effect during the very process of creation.

    But in the case of God, neither did God enter the world, nor did any characteristic of God enter the world. Therefore, the temptation is never fulfilled in the case of God. As already said, the simile is the magic master and the magic (castle) created by him. Neither the magic master nor any characteristic of him exists in the magic created. Shankara has given this example (Maayaaviva vijrumbhayatyapi…). Even the Brahma Sutras refer to this example (Atmanichaivam vichitraah…)
     
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    If you look closer into this you will find that Satchidananda denotes the Supreme Divine - ie your unimaginable God. BTW - do you think the Atman is 'imaginable'? Because once again, if so, take another look.

    I'd also advise that the quantity of posts you are making here is somewhat excessive. This forum is supposed to be for discussion, not propaganda on behalf of a particular sect or guru.
     
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    I guess we'll agree do disagree.
    some things you said I vibe with, but some I don't. "nor did any characteristic of God enter the world"? Love is in the world, that to me makes that statement void.

    what do you think God is?
     
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    killuminati;

    The special knowledge has two components, one is knowledge and
    other is unimaginable nature of God

    God is certainly unimaginable, – but God can be experienced by anyone.
    When you experience unimaginable – nature, God is experienced.
    Experience does not mean that you - have understood unimaginable God.
    When you say that the solution of – a problem is unimaginable to you,
    Does it not mean that you have – experienced it as unimaginable item?
    The characteristic of God is – unimaginable nature, it is experienced,
    It means unimaginable God is – experienced, experience does not
    Contradict unimaginable nature, - after all, you can say that something is
    Unimaginable when you experience that – it is unimaginable to you.
    Knowledge is constantly associated – characteristic of God for identity,
    But knowledge exists in scholar also, - God is isolated from scholar by
    The specialty of knowledge of God – that cannot be seen anywhere.
    This specialty of knowledge comes – from unimaginable nature of God.

    The unimaginable nature of God – is mixed with the knowledge and
    The knowledge becomes special – or unimaginable or wonderful.
    The special knowledge has - two components, one is knowledge and
    The other is unimaginable nature of God, - both are experienced items.
    Knowledge is quality or Sattvam, - it is imaginable and experienced.
    Such knowledge mixed with unimaginable – nature of God becomes
    Unimaginable knowledge and both are – items of experience only.
    Knowledge remains imaginable, - but the unimaginable nature
    Makes it wonderful and this is – called as Prajnanam by Veda.
    The point in His knowledge is – clear and imaginable to you.

    But you have not heard that point – anywhere in the world before.
    Hence the point is imaginable by virtue – of its knowledge component.
    By virtue of the unimaginable component – it is unheard anywhere.
    You have not imagined that point – so far and this is unimaginable.
    This does not mean that the point – itself is unimaginable to you.

    For example you have read - Ramayana and Bhagavatam before,
    You know that Gopikas worshipped – Krishna and Hanuman worshipped
    Rama, now you start worshipping – Rama and Krishna as statues.
    But the point there is that Gopikas – did not worship statue of Rama,
    Hanuman did not worship statue – of Vamana, past human incarnation.
    It means that you have to worship – your contemporary human incarnation.
    This point is understood now by you, - it is very simple to understand.
    But you have not imagined this point – so far, so it was unimaginable.
    Both components are experienced, - no objection of experience to
    The unimaginable component - as said above, hence total Prajnanam
    Being experienced by you results – in the experience of God, speaking
    Prajnanam through your contemporary – human incarnation, the Satguru.
     
  20. param

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    “Veda and Gita say that the soul can be visualized by very careful analysis and vision (Drusyate Tvagrayaa…, Pasyanti Jnana Chakshushah….). After all, the soul is only pure awareness which is the nervous energy flowing in the nerves. Today we have very sophisticated instruments through which we can see this nervous energy flowing in nerves as waves. The soul is essentially the inert energy only. Ofcourse, the chip of the information (Jeeva) existing in the brain is specific for an individual i.e., accumulated from several births. Your body is like computer.

    The electricity flowing in the computer (Power) is the awareness or the soul. The information fed into the computer (Programme) is specific and is called as the individual soul or Jeeva. Therefore, you can see the soul in its essential form as energy. At the time of death this chip of information (Jeeva) comes out of the body. When the radio station transmits some speech in to the space, it travels in the space with a specific frequency and it is essentially energy only. But when it enters the radio the speech is heard. Similarly, the individual soul on entering a new alive body again transmits the information. Therefore, the soul or individual soul can be visualized as the energy only.

    When it enters another system (another human body), it behaves like the soul or individual soul which is the specific work form of energy. If you take the soul or individual soul as the specific form of energy only, it cannot be isolated like energy. You cannot take the photo of grinding work. The machine, the current, the motion of the rod that grinds the grains (Kinetic energy), grains etc., can be visualized. But none of these is the grinding work. The grinding work depends on all these components and we can see its effect as the flour of grains. The actual specific work cannot be visualized but can be experienced. By this point people have misunderstood that the soul is God because God is also not visible but can be experienced.

    But the difference is that God is independent, whereas the awareness (Specific form of work) depends on the brain, nervous system, food, oxygen and proper oxidation of food to release energy etc. Awareness is unreal by itself when isolated from all the components. God is the completely independent and ultimate absolute reality. A scientist told that the life energy is like the sound produced from the drum and stick. The sound is essentially mechanical energy and is neither the drum, nor the stick, nor the beat (Kinetic energy) nor the ear-drum that experiences the sound.

    Every item of the creation is a relative reality (Mithya) like the awareness except God. You can visualize the sound as energy waves but those waves are not sound. Only the effect of those waves is sound. Such effect is not self-existent independent item. Its existence is a compounded effect of all the parts of the system. Therefore, the soul in the form of inert energy can be visualized, which is its original form i.e., remaining in the state of deep sleep”.
     

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