LSD, The Stigma and The U.S. Government who created it

I was talking with a friend and one of his friends last night and LSD came into the conversation. My friend and I have definitely taken LSD but the other guy said he has once(possibly Dox). We were talking about it and the other guy is telling me it's quote, "that shits bad for you, I don't know how but that shit fucks up your brain". And of course I wanted to try and defend lucy, and I had all the information to back myself up. I started telling them about all the research i've done and begged to use the computer to prove it. Everything I said they just brushed off like I learned it from the Anarchist Cookbook or something. They were telling me that I was totally wrong because the government pamphlets they got at school said acid was bad for you. I told him to get the pamphlets but he wouldn't. They said even if I found it online that it was probably mis-information because the government sites still say the same thing. So basically they said that the government is 100% correct on acid and what they say about it is true.

Well then, let's take a look...

This is the link to the US DEA drug information on LSD: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/lsd.html#foot6

LSD has literally no potential for abuse because of it's 3 day tolerance period making it hard to just constantly be addicted to acid like someone could be on heroin, cocaine, meth...

LSD is currently being used to serve a medical purpose in the field of Psychology. If research on LSD wasn't so forbidden we might have actually learned something about the chemical by now.

Even on my highest doses I have NEVER seen anything that wasn't already there.

First of all, flashbacks are in question all the time around this forum anyways. So for the government to say that they happen "often" then that is obviously a lie.

well I know I don't have schizophrenia and I know that my outlook on life and my ability to react to depressing situations has greatly increased keeping me much HAPPIER than ever before.

So they say it's not addictive, but for some reason "they must" consume more?! People who do LSD don't do LSD ALL THE TIME!

The government is using they're age old tactic of Fear. Trying to persuade you to stay away from anything possibly helpful because LSD happens to be in a group that includes negative, addictive and dangerous drugs.

This is all just from one site, I'm sure that there is a whole bunch of other mis-information out there. So in short stay smart, stay safe and don't listen to the god damned government!

 

sorry you have such buffoons for friends. people don't want to be open to the possibilty that there's value in something like lsd because they don't want their understanding of reality to be challenged. many users of other drugs behave this way too. i'm sure your persuasive abilities weren't lacking at all; people just believe what they want to believe so they don't need to change anything about themselves. it's the same kind of thinking which explains why W Bush still has 30 percent approval rating: they are the ones who chose him because he pulled at their heartstrings, which is the way that kind of person makes life decisions. everyone else sees that he's an idiot, but those 30 percent refuse to disapprove because if they were wrong about their feelings for that guy, they' d have to call into question every other decision they've made in life that was based on a similar emotional response.

 

We arn't the group that needs convincing I agree completely.

Mis-information and scare tactics are fucking bullshit, it's straight up lies fed to you as truth and anyone who is slightly stupid will eat that shit up. It's not fair. At least there's some intelligent people out here who know what the fucks up.

 

dude..get Grass: the History of Marijuana hosted by Woody Harrelson and show your friends the different propoganda commecials made for pot. show them the commercials that say that you'll turn into a psychopath and murder people and yourself from smoking weed..and then remind them that those were also government issued safety statements and ask them to reconsider what you've told them about our dear friend.

here's a link to the video in segments on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGKeq2HrBxA

 

switzerland . .

 

Anybody read Acid Dreams? Half of the book is about what the government did with LSD and how they felt about it. Very interesting stuff. A great book for the most part. There are few parts that I do not believe. Such as the author states of some woman that apparently smoked marijuana with John F. Kennedy in the White House. I need more proof than just some woman saying that she did that, but anyway a great book.

 

Mk-ultra . .

 

It's not just LSD the government are misinforming us about.
IMO anyone prepared to listen to and follow the government's ethic as GOSPEL TRUTH had better strap themselves in for the 'secure' ride of bullshit and, ultimately, control.
Of course, they cannot be the real reasons the government appear to hate LSD so much. They're obviously saying things like that to make people think twice about it for a reason, only masking the real issue by misinforming people of the truth..
Shit, with a system that keeps in sale, regulation and promotion of alcohol (a drug that brings out the worst in people and completely destroys their physical and mental health over a period of time), yet outlaws the legality of a plant which brings on pleasant states of euphoria and doesn't contain even half the danger of alcoholism, I'd say we are well and truely fucked. We are becoming much more controlled as a race as time goes on.
On the whole, acid makes you see past the samey routine-orientated way of life in a society that's kept in line. It gives you piece of mind towards nature and how we truely relate; it helps shape our future by solving personal queries about our past; it metaphorically expands the mind but physically makes a person see past what others take for granted.. inevitably seeing how fake and corrupt a structure or industry can be.
It makes you more likely to think for yourself rather than taking on board what you're told. It helps put into perspective the brainwashing entertainment source that T.V. is.
It makes you question issues that are supposed to be taken as truth.
The government hate it so much because it acts as an eye opener to the World itself - rather than the World as THEY want you to know it..

 

they don't hate it,
they love it.

 

can't be used as a weapon so it's dangerous to the gov

 

they call it dynamite
and dose people for months at a time.

 

interesting. you've got my attention..care to elaborate?

 

yes I can

read anything you can about MK ULTRA

some of the most fucked up shit went down, and is still going down, all over the place.

 

yeah MK ULTRA was just awful...but i didn't know they were continuing their tests after all this time. don't know why i'm surprised though.

 

well,
with all these new research chemicals . .

I doubt they even fully understand LSD yet.

 

they're trying to turn a gift into a weapon..i hope they never do fully understand

 

ditto

 

I have. So have about half the people I know irl who have done it. The other half, like you, didn't have full blown hallucinations but rather just distortions. However I'm getting tired of people saying that hallucinations don't happen on psychedelic drugs. That is simply not true.

This forum isn't exactly a paragon of scientific endeavor. I have only done LSD 3 times and I have flashbacks. My friend who introduced me to LSD had pretty bad flashbacks, to the point where they would sometimes interfere with his work, with driving, things like that. Many, many, many people who take LSD (especially multiple times) will experience the phenomenon known as flashbacks.

That's great for you, and I'm with you there, and try to bear with me here, but it turns out that there are people other than you in this world, and they actually react to drugs differently than you do! I know, it's weird as hell! Well these other people, it turns out that some of them have suffered psychotic breaks (usually not permanent) after an LSD session.

I'm sorry if I come off as a harsh little bitch, but I feel compelled to throw in the rational voice which reminds us ALL that these things are based in FACT. They may be exaggerated, but they are not lies, and I am terrified that there are people like you out there saying LSD is harmless with 0 consequence and that none of these things are true, because I personally have experienced them all except for depression, and I know someone who has experienced that.

Please, please, please . . . stop playing drugs off as if they are harmless.

I love drugs. I think drugs should be legal. But I'm also not going to sugar coat their awesome power or hide the fact that they can end your life as you know it even if you do everything right.

Peace

 

It is our fault for letting the government have such a powerful effect on our minds.

The answer is simple and I think Timothy Leary said it best when he said "think yourself, question authority".

Problem is, usually a person has to take LSD in a good set and setting before they realize that most of what we are being spoon fed is bullshit. Too often young people try LSD with no idea of what they're getting into or they try the drug because of peer pressure despite their fear and/or hesitation. When someone is not prepared, expecting something different, afraid or hesitant the chance of having a difficult trip increases. If someone has a difficult trip when they have not yet realized what LSD is they could freak out thinking that they have caused some sort of permanent damage just like most of the government propaganda would have us believe. One person has a bad trip, freaks out and tells everyone they know how dangerous lsd is. You can never fully prepare yourself for a psychedelic trip but knowing whether LSD is a dangerous drug to get fucked up on or a magical potion used to expand one's consciousness will go a long way to either fucking you up or insuring a wonderful experience. I have had many difficult trips but knowing that this was because I had something to learn and that my trip was showing me something about myself made a difficult trip a good trip.

I would say that most, if not everyone who has something negative to say about LSD has no idea what they are doing. They are innocent because they are only afraid of the unknown.

All we can do is show them that LSD can be a good thing and doing this is not easy. It is not like we can just argue our points and convince them. All we can do this show them that they are wrong by opening up and being as honest about our LSD use as we can (without winding up in jail or losing our job of course) while we are living healthy and productive lives. It is difficult for someone to believe that LSD will fry your brain when one of their intelligent friends who they respect very much admits that they would not be who they are without LSD.

You will not be able to change everyone's mind and not everyone is ready to hear about your psychedelic experiences. Some people, no matter how intelligent and respectable you are will not see anything but what they want to see and when you tell them that you have used LSD they will think you are crazy and may become an enemy as they try to rally up support in order to justify what they think of you. This could become more problematic than you might imagine especially when you have no choice but to involve yourself in a social setting that you would not normally be drawn to for the purpose of earning an income. Many of us have no choice but to work with people who we would never associate with if we had the choice. Of course we should all be working towards a future where we provide for ourselves in a way that we truly enjoy but that takes time and until then some of us will have to use discretion when it comes to who we really are and what we do outside of work.

Be careful admitting to your family that you use psychedelic drugs as they may turn against you. Although I do feel that it is important to be completely honest with everyone you love, I also feel that there is a time and a place. Some of you are too young and inexperienced with life for your parents to accept that these drugs might be good for you. Wait till you are older, after a few years of living a healthy and productive life before you share this controversial lifestyle with your family unless of course they are open-minded.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, yeah sure there are a lot of people who think that LSD is a horrible and dangerous drug but what you can do about it? Most people could care less about what you have to say about positive LSD use because as far as they are concerned anyone who thinks so must be crazy. Just be yourself and show everyone around you how wonderful of a person you are and if they find out about the LSD it will be difficult for them to deny what they had just learned.

 

I can agree with this. LSD, while some may get addicted to it (face it anything from food, to video games, to driving, to running, to drugs can be addicting in some way) there is no real physical addiction with it. Every LSD addictee I've ever known were mentally addicted.

I'd like you to find sources on your claim. From what I've learned LSD has been completely banned from any medical usage or research.

I can agree with this on low doses, but anytime I've tripped on 5 good hits or more I'd actually start to see stuff that wasn't there. animals running on the ground that no one else saw, ground elevated when it was only a small mound of dirt, Lightning in the sky that no one else could see. I think on high doses you can see things that really don't exist.

I have flashbacks everyday, often. I do smoke marijuana mostly each day, which has been known to increase the amount of flashbacks, however.

A person who's gone insane from schizophrenia is probably one of the happiest people on the planet. Most people who have intense schizophrenia don't realize it, which is why many insane asylums have major shizophrenics. I'm not saying you are, I'm just saying that LSD can increase chances of schizophrenia in some people, especially in people who already have a past of schizophrenia. It all depends on the actions or expierence a person goes through while on the drug.

It's not physically addictive, but on the short-term if you wanted to get simliar effects on LSD from the night before, you might need to take more doses. That is just simple chemistry.

So write letters to your congressmen or senators and get your friends to as well about the subject. Too many people in America tend to blame the government for everything when they refuse to vote, petition, or do any work. It's "We the People" not "We the Government".

One site. Look at others, compare, research. If this topic angers you this much try to learn as much as you can. I used to be in the same "blame the government" until I actually read books and researched drugs and what the do and how they effect society.

And don't look at my post the wrong way, I'm not defending either side, mainly I'm just pointing out flaws in your post and providing more information.