disgusted with U.S. Marine media...

What's the point of leaving the country when American citizens are even hated by each other?

 

Roger Waters: The Bravery of Being Out of Range
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybHhq48b33Q


I looked over Jordan and what did I see
Saw a U.S. Marine in a pile of debris
I swam in your pools
And lay under your palm trees
I looked in the eyes of the Indian
Who lay on the Federal Building steps..

 

possibly escape the coming purges......?

americans are hated everywhere. EVERYBODY is hated EVERYWHERE xenophobia is present around the world like never before.

 

I don't know, i think most people have a point in hating americans.. i don't know, but alot of the mainstream americans seems to be stupid rednecks that have been brainwashed their whole lifes by something beyond stupidity.
When i'm playing online computer games or whatever, if i come in contact with americans, i don't know.. most of them seems to be a bunch of akward idiots, i once tried to convince them that signing a army duty contract is the same like signing a slavery contract, in both occasion you plainly sell your body to someone.
But when i told them this they just started laughing at me and thought that i was one of these weird stereotype leftists.. :/
They should all drop their stubborn patrionism and use that thingy.. euhm.. brain.. and start using it for something.

 

I'm gonna catch crap for this.

I have nothing against soldiers. Some of my best friends, and some of the grooviest people I know have been military at one point or another in their lives. I've known just as many military pricks.

I stopped in the grocery store yesterday, and shook the hands of a pair of boys in uniform. I'm sure people are going to blast me for 'consorting with the enemy'

Afraid not. These guys have a choice as to what they do. They signed up, and yes, they fight, or at least fought for our particular freedoms that we're not only losing, but happily giving away. The average grunt, no matter his service, has no say about if he's sent into an unfair and injust situation. His job is to follow orders, and yes, there are ways that he can register a voice of dissension.

However- The military guys here I've seen seem to be pretty thin-skinned for taking anything derogatory said about their role in offensives and police actions exceptionally personally. Is it guilty conscience, or is it that you're finding the reasons you were given a mite thin yourself?

I will not disrespect any person that has the guts to fight for our freedoms, but I WILL disrespect those above them that use these people who have put enough trust to say 'let me be your tool, for the protection of our people, our loved ones' to use them in such a way.

As I said to those boys yesterday 'I do not agree with the current policies and circumstances that have sent you boys off to die, but I respect you as men.'

However, that being said, if the military finds itself turned against the people it was created to protect, then it is time to reevaluate where loyalties lie.

How many of you 'just following orders' would fire on one of your loved ones if a superior officer ordered it? How many would fire on the unarmed, or those that do not pose a threat? One day, my friends, it may come to that, and I believe that the military needs the ability to reject stepping into a foolish situation to die...or to kill needlessly.

We don't need another Vietnam, and that's what you boys are in. Anyone can be death, which makes people twitchy, but word gets around if someone fires on a non-threat, which only gives those stirring up trouble more ammunition.

I wish we could bring you boys home, and have you fortifying our own borders, following the example of Switzerland. Non-involvement is really this country's only choice for survival, because enough jackals can bring down a lion, and this lion's making itself a large target. Our country could be doing great things for ourselves, but we've elected ourselves the world's peacekeeping officer, and losing our resources, our lives, our food, and our technology. What are we doing for our own house? To take care of our own people? Why is our own country not in order, but we believe we have to go put everyone else's country in order? We can do better, and until we do better for ourselves, as a people, we will not only be targeted by those that want what we have, because they think they can bring us down and take it, but we'll be targeted by those who have a 'bone to pick' with us.

Again back to Switzerland. When was the last time they were involved in a police action that resulted in terrorism against their citizenry?

We are the world's laughingstock, because we are, as a great many have said, a hothead with a gun. How long until we injure our own? Shoot ourselves in the foot? We've already crippled ourselves from something that was once great to a sign of decadence. This empire is following the pattern of Roma, and she fell. So will we. The only question is 'Will be we able to rebuild?'

 

Bring The Boys Back Home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqFDW6ZDsqU&feature=related

You put alot of thought into that Born25, good.

 

Thanks O, I had to edit a bit to include a few thoughts I had post-posting, but I felt needed stating.

 

born25years2late....that was exactly the reply I was looking for. Thank you. I totally agree.

 

Thanks. Despite what a great many people think of me, I do try to be reasonable and rational.



warning- ranting below. If you think it might piss you off, then don't read it. That's your right, just as it's mine to speak.

I've been called a great many things in my time. Patriot. Revolutionary. Humanist.

I prefer to call myself a Constitutionalist. I believe that the constitution was written for a reason. To illustrate the rights available to all mankind.

Was the document flawed? Yes. That's why the reason for the ability to revise it. However, that does not mean that a government should alter it on a whim to use it as a tool to imprison the people.

The reason our country has faltered is that we have somewhere along the way, reasoned out that 'someone else will make the changes'. This cannot be. And it will accomplish nothing. People say 'where are our statesmen? Where are our revolutionaries?' Where would we be if John Adams had said that? Where would we be if Washington had elected for someone else to go to Valley Forge?

We have so few proud Americans, because we have so very little to be proud of anymore. We have no trades, no workmanship, nothing worth fighting for except the vague remnant of freedoms that men who DID something bought for us two centuries ago.

We have complacency, cheetos, tivo and pizza delivery. What of that is worth fighting for? And so we become sheep, hiding in our pens, bleating for protection, while the wolves slip amoung us shushing us that it will all be well, if we but turn over more and more of our freedoms to their hands, for they can govern us better than we can ourselves.

We were once a country where a man could be proud to have a job, to have something worthwhile to do with himself and his life, and now we have layoffs, because our jobs are being outsourced. We refuse to pay for the quality that would allow companies to remain here. We consume, we require more and more to silence our hunger, because it is not food that we hunger for. It is not technology, it is not the ability to cross the country in hours. We, as a nation, have come to a crisis of MEANING.

I will say this - THIS is what it means to be an American. To seek what our founding fathers sought. Freedom. Of speech, from oppression, from unfair taxation, from domination, from being slaves to no man, save ourselves. Being an american doesn't mean that we sit in a lazy-boy, snarfing chips, swilling beer, paying taxes to support things that we don't believe in, and couldn't give a care about, cheering on the super bowl and rotting to a vegetative state.

What is our Meaning? Three hundred million bleating sheep waiting to be fleeced? Three hundred million unthinking slugs?

Not mine. I have no reason to go to another country to secure liberty while my own is in danger. In fact, That is a perfect reason for me to NOT go abroad. Let me secure my freedoms. MY life. MY country. I will tell you this- that despite the fact that I will not go abroad to fight a war, any man that sets foot on my land, my property, to take it unfairly from me, be he from this government, or another nation, will have to kill me to do so, and by the gods, they'll get 6 feet of depth, and as much as they're taller.

THAT is patriotism. Not waving flags and saying 'I Believe!' or shouting 'These colors never run!'

It is us standing up and saying 'This is my land. These are my people. These are my loved ones, and while I don't want to fight you, if you come into the badger's den, you will not leave. We have the right to live as we please, without terror, without undue restrictions, becuase we take responsibility for ourselves and our actions. This is our land, Not yours.' And having the right to say that, even to those who come from our own people who wish to make of us servants and slaves, and not free men.

 

Defensive aggression I can agree with.

nicely stated opinions. Thanks.

 

I guess there is nothing wrong with a bit of patrionism, but i cannot understand people who join the army. Yes Yes, terrorists and all that... yeap yeap.. keep the land save from the "evil wicked-minded bombers". But seriously.. there are more peacefull ways then going to arms and shouting "Freedom! Freedom!" -_-.
If your proud blinds your sense of wisdom.. i mean.. how can that lead to something better?
Here in belgium the most people who do join the army are neo-nazis, or ignorant fools, most people with a healthy mindset don't just join the army.. well, here where i live, but we seem to have a whole different mentality towards that subject then americans.

In anyways, the reason why no-one should join the army: killing isn't something about protecting the country, i think most people go to lightly over it.. all cewl, bravery, courage, honor.. yeaaa.. but anyone with a healthy mind would rather want to avoid such thing.. there is no honor in killing, there is no barvery in killing or courage.. real honor is given to those who can solve a dispute without killing, not visa-versa. And that is a approach the army seldom takes, better to "kill first and talk later eh?".

 

Pellinore, I agree with you. I'd rather fuck than fight, and smoke than shoot. However, if someone invades my boundaries, that's when the problems arise.

Why kill if you can avoid it?

 

We don't live in the monkey age anymore eh, or in the medieval times where barbarians would raid your little village. People don't invade your boundaries without a "serious" reason, i agree, if there is no other way to solve a dispute and your very own existence is threatend, then you should fight to survive (you can fight without killing btw). But seriously, i think the american government (not only the americans ) is way to paranoid.. and paranoia is not a good thing when you try to lead a country.

 

pretty well said guys. As I've heard before, "it takes a man to walk away from a fight".....fight meaning in this sense here-war and killing. To not settle differences in a different way I think is childish-stubborn-bullheaded-one sided...and almost to the point of being evil to go to the point of making weaponry to kill someone and having an innocent bystander be so severly burned. Warfare in my opinion has become a game for grown up children. Understand what I mean by game though. A game is ongoing and ends only when the other loses and can begin all over again...set up the pieces. Children can play games when they can't get their way. To fight someone because they can't come to a reasonable conclusion at an adult age is not an adult, it's a child. Mentally.

This is something I posted in a different part of the forums last year when I was thinking about the pledge of allegiance. I may get heat for this too but it was a release for me...you decide if I'm right.

What it says:

I pledge allegiance
To the flag
Of the United States of America
To the republic
For which it stands
One nation under God
Indivisable
With liberty
And justice for all

Lamen's terms:

I give oath to a country,
To a piece of material,
Of the country.
To the state,
In which the governing body,
Resides in the people,
And the powers elected by them.
For which it stands,
One body of land under God,
Incapable of being divided,
With freedom from being kept down,
By unjust use or authority,
Or the domination of a government not freely chosen,
And fairness and honesty to all.

What has been done(in some's view):

I give an oath,
To the country.
They can run my life,
I give up.
They can kill,
They can lie and build fear,
Unfairly, unjustly, greedily.
The government can elect and decide,
For itself and its leaders.
For which it now stands,
The body of land that is God's,
I now hand over to the government,
To become God.
I will divide,
And allow unjust use,
Of force and authoriy.
Let the domination of government,
Choose itself,
With deceit to all.

patriot: One who loves his country and zealously guards its welfare; esp., a defender of popular liberty.
Liberty: Freedom from oppression, tyranny, or the domination of a government not freely chosen.
oppression: To burden or keep down by harsh and unjust use of force or authority. 2.) To lie heavy upon physically or mentally.

 

While I haven't read all your posts. I was on active duty from 99-03 in the Marines. I don't like the commercial either. It's not all it's cracked up to be. but thats the media for you. You tell me anything in life that pertains to the media and tell me if it's true. tell me. I can give you an instance. Not gonna tell you , you can guess. The media wants us to hate a group of people right. They're ALL bad in the media's opinion. At least in America's media. Well, that's wrong. They only tell the bad things from the bad apples of this group of people. Me..I do not hate anyone in the world. I want to visit other beautiful countries than the usa some day. And I do not want them to hate me because of other americans hating them because of false beliefs.

 

another well rounded statement.

 

This is how I see it.
When people sign up for the military, they know they are signing up for war, killing, shooting, genocide, murder, killing, guns, bombs, etc.
Now who in their right mind would sign up for that, especially if they care about peace?
Draft dodgers til the end. There's a good chance that Bush is going to pull some bs to stay in office by declaring a state of emergency, then there's gonna be a draft, people locked up in concentration camps, by our own country.
And who'll the guards be? the people who hunt us down and capture us and oppress us? The evil men with guns and pepperspray and tazers and weapons.
Military and law enforcement.

 

I reckon Martial Law is pretty near.

 

Im going to have to state my opinion on the start of this thread. As it happens, yes I am currently a U.S. Marine and personally I take offense to your post The Instinct... Your being narrowed minded and a dumbass for speaking about something you have no experience with. I signed up, didn't realize what I was getting myself into, and shipped off to do four years active duty. Ive been in two years now and am half way through this bullshit then I can go back to living peacefully and smoking the herb like the rest of you. But until then I have to put up with this bullshit and even though I don't agree with the majority of it, the lowly "foot soldiers" I have met like myself keep me going. Every low ranking person i have met used to smoke weed, party, and just enjoy life before he joined. Some do it while their in, most of us just drink to pass the time. You think we want to be here??? The Majority fucking hate it. Don't judge until you've been in those shoes and taken that walk in life. People piss me off when they try and argue or complain about something they know nothing of...

 

sure, you like to, or at least used to, like partying smoking, etc.... but wasn't it YOUR choice to sign up? That's where we're different. I would never sign my life away as a weapon of the government... I mean, when you do something like that you can't be surprised when the US military ass rapes you.