Iraq signs $3bn oil deal... with China

And one must consider if the US expands on alternative sources of enegy, oil may not be the big player in the future. I am tired of fighting wars for big petroleum. So the predicted profits may be much lower than what will actually transpire if we no longer need world oil. I for one am not using what I used to.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/7771335

I'd love to see those barrels drop back down to $32 per barrel, do you have a hedge fund?

 

Saddam was no longer a threat to other countries. At all. No WMD's
Why was it our job to stop Saddam's crimes? Why didn't China jump on that one? This isn't scraping the barrel, these are the same questions that have been posed from the very beginning.


The United Nations located and destroyed large quantities of Iraqi WMD throughout the 1990s in spite of persistent Iraqi obstruction. Washington withdrew weapons inspectors in 1998, resulting in Operation Desert Fox, which further degraded Iraq's WMD capability. The United States and the UK, along with other countries and intelligence experts, asserted that Saddam Hussein still possessed large hidden stockpiles of WMD in 2003, and that he must be prevented from building any more. Inspections by the U.N. restarted from November 2002 until March 2003,[1] but hadn't turned up any evidence of actual WMDs when the United States and the "Coalition of the Willing" invaded Iraq and overthrew Saddam Hussein in March 2003.While various leftover weaponized WMDs and weapons components from the 1980s and 1990s have been found, most weapons inspectors now believe that Iraq's chemical weapons program did indeed cease production after 1991.

 

But that doesn't matter anymore.

We attacked again because he still had control over the oil.

 

just like ahmed kharzai was democratically elected, or a certain south vietnamese premier who was all about killing bhuddist priests, this is a game, and the democracy component is a lie to maintain the mandate of the people back home.

 

Ooohh oooh! and Batista!

 

Either your normal writing style includes footnotes that link to nothing or you are plagiarising. Which is it?

 

Wow... really?
We've resorted to talking about my lack of a proper REFERENCES page?

Let's assume for the sake of this thread that when you see those little footnotes in the paragraph it has come from wikipedia. When you don't see the footnotes riddled in the paragraph (which I will keep as a separate paragraph) and when the vernacular is clearly riddled with slang and contractions, that I am writing that part myself.


I use those little paragraphs because I read information that I agree with and am cutting corners while I am at work so I can get my viewpoint out. Turns out, I'm ok with this, because this is the internet and not my doctoral dissertation.

 

Its not 'resorting to' anything, its Hipforums rules. If you copy from another source, cite it. Its pretty much standard for any forum.

 

So is it of your opinion that we started this war because Saddam was hurting people? Not because of oil in any way?









Seems to me I am only familiar with the posting off-topic rule.

I got this off of the Hipforums site:
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Other than these restrictions, people are free to post whatever they choose. This is a FREE SPEECH site and we respect people's right to have their say. Let's all just be civil about it!

 

As I said, the problem was that Saddam had a lot of oil and he was using it to finance military aggression in an unstable, strategically important region. He was also reckless and stupid and couldn't be deterred. His repression of his own people helped turn international public opinion, but it wasn't the reason we overthrew him.

Nothing about Iraqi oil has changed for us. They sell it, we buy it.

Well now you're familiar with the sourcing your quotes rule. Trust me or ask a mod.

 

So what your saying is that because he controlled the power to export oil, and he was using it recklessly we invaded Iraq?



Please provide a source in the Hip forums rules, regulations, or anything where it might say that one must provide citation. I just posted the rules and guidelines and trust me. It's not in there. So where else did you see this all important rule.

 

He had loads of money and he was using it to arm himself to the teeth and invade neighboring countries. He was destabilising a highly unstable but strategically important region. He was reckless and out of control.

If you don't believe me, ask a mod.

 

"Strategically important region" is used because the country has oil. So this area became strategically important because it has oil, correct?



Any person who has been on hforums for a while could be a mod, there is no special moderator rules, each moderator decides what he/she wants. The rules and guidelines are posted on this site, and they do not outline a particular citation rule. If it did, it would apply to images as well. And I don't see a link to the site you appropriated that owl image. It's a free speech forum on the internet. If any mod desires to scold me for it they can contact Skip and try to make it a part of the Hipforum rules and guidelines, like every other rule.

 

Why didn't we find any of those WMD?

 

If you have a point can you please hurry up and get to it?

Other people have been warned for plagiarising, that's the reality. If you want to be a rebel and plagiarise anyway, go ahead. Its just a reasonable courtesy to know whether I am responding to your thoughts and your words or whether I am responding to something you copied and pasted.

Also, you are confusing copyright with plagiarism.

 

Please read my posts instead of dropping boilerplate bullshit on me.

 

The entire war is based around stabilizing an oil producing country for our benefit and the benefit of other oil using countries. It is a war about oil. It's the singular driving force of the war. The US doesn't give a shit how dictators treat their people unless it means they lose money or oil in some way.

The last of the cheap oil is in Iraq and Iran, where it does not need to be forced out of the ground and treated, like in Canada. But instead of putting the hundreds of billions of dollars towards a fast and effective switch to energy sources other than oil we spent it on taking out a ruined dictator whose only power came from the money he makes on oil.

I love this point counter-point article, very funny.


And you know what, the WMD question will keep on returning over and over again until there is some sort of answer other than "oops!" or "they must have gotten rid of them".

 

All countries are oil using countries.

But not to take the oil. Before the war, they sold the oil, and we bought it. After the war, they sell it and we buy it. Nothing has changed. The difference is that the proceeds from those oil sales are no longer used to build up Saddam's military machine which he was using to attack neighbouring countries and destabilise an already unstable region.

We weren't losing oil or money. Get it? We could have been friendly with Saddam and signed oil deals with him. The Russians and Chinese did. But that would have solved the problem, because that wasn't the problem.

Well no, the oil industry in both countries still needs substantial investment to get to market, both countries would benefit from foreign investment.

I wish this were true, that it were that simple. But the US isn't only country in the world. France, Germany, and Japan are entirely dependent on imported oil. China's dependence is increasing and can only continue to increase. Why aren't these countries making a "fast and effective" switch to other energy sources? Remember, capitalism is not a monolith. Oil using industries would obviously prefer a "fast and effective" switch, and entrepreneurs would scramble to help them do it. Could it be that there is no viable substitute for oil at the moment?

 

After the first Gulf war Saddam posed no threat to the United States or his neighbors and with the help of the international community could have been contained until his regime ended. Instead, we rushed into this war when the public wanted blood after 911 and we still haven't finished routing out the terrorists who were responsible.

Maybe the term fast is too distilled, but when will we start weaning ourselves off of foreign oil? Im not talking about a 40 year plan. When will the money be put towards new energy programs? There are several countries that get a good percentage of their energy from geothermal and wind and hydroelectric.

http://www.star-telegram.com/104/story/775945.html