technically,Palin is the most qualified candidate in the race.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by hippiehillbilly, Aug 31, 2008.

  1. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    think about it,shes the only candidate that has served in the executive branch of government.
    while the others have served in the legislative branches,that is not running a government..
    so technically she is more qualified to be president than any of them...:rolleyes:
     
  2. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I like what I've read about her.
     
  3. Shane99X

    Shane99X Senior Member

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  4. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    But it doesn't matter who is more qualified because these people don't decide anything. I mean, is the current president qualified to run anything, let alone a country? Of course not! That's because all he does is sign legislation, attend meetings, and give the occasional scripted speech. That's all presidents do! They don't make any of the important decisions. They are merely told what to do and what to say. That's how they avoid being impeached or altogether destroyed.

    All this talk over who is qualified and who isn't is simply another media diversion to cement people's beliefs that presidents and vice presidents have a say in anything and that the elections actually matter, when these people are just vetted figureheads hand-picked to further the shadow government agenda. They decide nothing!
     
  5. SunLion

    SunLion Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    she is more qualified to be president than any of them...

    You can always count on HHB to parrot rightwing bullshit, pretending he's just kidding.

    Obama is regarded as a true expert on the US system of government, and held a senior faculty position at a major university, teaching it. McCain and Palin would, without question, learn a lot if they attended some of his lectures.

    (I still think McCain will win, though, because conservatives always show up and vote Republican, and you, reader, almost certainly won't bother to vote at all. When good people do nothing, evil prevails.)
     
  6. zilla939

    zilla939 Thought Police Lifetime Supporter

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    True story.

    cases in point: JFK. Abe Lincoln. Even Bill Clinton.
     
  7. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    and you can always count on sun lion to be blinded by undying democrat loyalty..:rolleyes:
     
  8. mamaKCita

    mamaKCita fucking stupid.

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    lol. it's true. most of the people i talk to who post on this site don't vote. silliness.
     
  9. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I vote.
     
  10. mamaKCita

    mamaKCita fucking stupid.

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    well, there's one. thanks. :cheers2:
     
  11. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    i vote,, just not for mccain,,or obama,,or barr,,or mckinney..

    im kinda out of options this year..

    i may vote for mccain just to piss sun lion off.. lol

    wouldnt matter who i vote for i live in a republican state..whatever color that is.....
     
  12. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    on a side note,i always love how people consider people with little to no hands on experience "experts"..
    i liken it to folks who have read all about living off the land and went camping twice but regard themselves as "experts"..

    knowledge from books is no substitute for actually doing..therefore i would have to say obama is no more a expert than palin is..
     
  13. Walkabout

    Walkabout Member

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    O my God... Ican't believe what I read on the first page. Plus, I used to think HHB might have some sense and thought I'd like to visit and help out with his and his wife's 'dream' for awhile. Grew up on an 800 acre cattle ranch in the boonies of SE OK. Prety much have done it all when it comes to homesteading....we had no running water except from the pond until around 1984-5. Washing clothes was in the back yard in a ringer/washer. food came from the animals/garden we raised and grew. Grandpa took in any kid that their family couldn't care for, for years. Hmmmm.. And going for Sarah Palin....maybe I'm missin something and hopefully I am....but SHIT! I'm kinda scared/disgusted bout this whole McCain and his puppet shindig. Lived in Alaska bout 5 months and most people there feel totally seperate from the lower 48. They don't have the news or the resource to get the news like we do. Grab your guns, God is leading us, we will prevail. And I'm saying this on a hippie website.
     
  14. SunLion

    SunLion Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    on a side note,i always love how people consider people with little to no hands on experience "experts".. i liken it to folks who have read all about living off the land and went camping twice but regard themselves as "experts"..

    Don't worry, Palin isn't considered an expert at anything. And McCain is quite clearly only an expert in the field of playing victim while seeking sympathy votes. He was what, last in his graduating class? And Palin went through what, six colleges before she could find one to give her a degree? Or was it seven?

    knowledge from books is no substitute for actually doing..therefore i would have to say obama is no more a expert than palin is..

    You can say that, but it's still not true. It's like saying that a kid with a soldering iron can build the next generation of supercomputers, but that electronics engineers cannot. Besides, Palin hasn't done a god damn thing. She was mayor of town of fewer than 10,000 people, and that's about it. How does that qualify her to make decisions about much of anything? She hasn't even served half of her term as governor- and even that experience is pretty pathetic, as Alaska is of one of the nation's least populated states.

    Go ahead, turn in to Rush Limbaugh to find out what you're supposed to say in response. I'm sure he'll have some great lines for you, and I'm sure you'll be right back to repeat them.
     
  15. Number6

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    It is not just experience that is important, it is also the quality of that experience. Compare Obama and Palin side by side and see which one comes off better.

    1980 - 1984
    Obama: B.A. in political science with a specialization in international relations from Columbia University.

    Palin: Wasilla High School, captain of the state-champion basketball team. Miss Wasilla, runner-up in the Miss Alaska pageant, also Miss Congeniality, although that is now disputed.

    1985 - 1990
    Obama: moved to Chicago; became a community organizer as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization on Chicago's far South Side. During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization.

    Moved to Boston to attend Harvard Law School. Selected as an editor and then elected president of the Harvard Law Review, a full-time volunteer position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the law review's staff of 80 editors.

    Palin: Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, with a minor in political science from the University of Idaho. Brief stint as a sports reporter for local Anchorage television stations; left to join her husband in commercial fishing.

    1991 - 1995
    Obama: graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School; received contract and advance to write a book ("Dreams from my Father") as well as a fellowship at the University of Chicago Law School. Directed the Illinois Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers that achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state, leading Crain's Chicago Business to name Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be. Appointed as a Lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago. Joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development. Active in several community organizations, usually as a board member.

    Palin: member of the Alasaka Independence Party which advocates "Alaska First". Elected to Wasilla city council.

    1996 - 2000
    Obama: promoted to Senior Lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School. Elected to the Illinois Senate. Sponsored more than 800 bills. In 2000, lost a Democratic primary run for the U.S. House of Representatives to four-term incumbent Bobby Rush by a margin of two to one.

    Palin: elected as mayor of Wasilla (population 5,470), defeating the incumbent by a total of 616 votes to 413. Town budget, $8 million (3 millionths of the Federal budget), approximately 100 employees. Reduced property taxes but increased sales taxes. Fired the Wasilla police chief, citing a failure to support her administration. (He then sued Palin on the grounds that he was fired because he supported the campaign of Palin's opponent, but his suit was dismissed when the judge ruled that Palin had the right under state law to fire city employees, even for political reasons.) Hired a DC lobbyist to bring $27 million in earmarks to the city. Wasilla had zero debt when she entered office but she left it with indebtedness of over $22 million, including $15 million-plus for construction of a hockey center which was built on a piece of property that the city didn’t even have clear title to, a matter that is still in litigation. Attempted to ban books from the city library.

    2001 - 2004
    Obama: reelected in 2002 and became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee.

    Publicly spoke out against the invasion of Iraq BEFORE the congressional authorization in 2002, and then again before the actual invasion in 2003.

    Wrote and delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.

    November 2004: elected to the US Senate, receiving over 3.5 million votes, more than 70% of total.

    Palin: elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors. Unsuccessful bid for lieutenant governor, coming in second in a five-way race in the Republican primary, receiving 19,000 votes. Appointed to the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, served as chairman from 2003 to 2004 and also served as Ethics Supervisor. Resigned in protest over the "lack of ethics" of fellow Republican members. Exposed the state Republican Party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, for doing party work on public time and working closely with a company he was supposed to be regulating. Director of Ted Stevens' 527 group.

    2005 to present
    Obama: Sworn in as the fifth-ever African-American U.S. senator. Worked with Republican Senator Lugar to author and implement a program to locate and dismantle stray Russian WMD's. Designated by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid as the party's point man on ethics. Worked with Russ Feingold to pass a major ethics/lobbying reform bill. Cosponsored, with John McCain, the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. Called for increased fuel efficiency standards (3 percent every year for 15 years). Assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Veterans' Affairs, and Homeland Security. Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa. Waged a tremendous battle to become the Democratic presidential nominee. Currently manages 2,500 campaign employees and a budget of $40-$50 million/month.

    Palin: 2005: board member, Valley Hospital Association, which runs the Mat-Su Regional Medical Center in Wasilla.

    Became youngest and first female Governor of Alaska, taking office in December, 2006. Received 114,600 votes. The population of Alaska is 683,478 and more than 50% of the state budget comes from oil revenues, not taxes as in other states. Gross State Product: $44 billion (including the oil revenue). Ranking 45 of 50.
    Auctioned off the Governor's jet on eBay. Took on fellow-Republican Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings. Promoted oil and natural gas resource development in Alaska. Helped pass a tax increase on oil company profits. Formed a sub-cabinet group of advisers to address climate change but does not accept that it is man-made. Objected to listing polar bears as an endangered species because it might hurt oil and gas development in the bears' habitat. Was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it. However, Alaska kept the federal money. Denied her daughter was pregnant before she confirmed it. Supported abstinence-only education.Currently under a bipartisan investigation for abuse of power for dismissing Alaska's Public Safety Commissioner. Commander-in-Chief of the Alaska National Guard, but has played no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. (The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations.)

    Obtained her first passport in 2007 to perform visits to the Alaska National Guard in Kuwait and Germany. (Foreign experience so limited that a stopover in Ireland listed on her resume.)

    Slightly edited from source: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/2/1613/27485/447/581295
     
  16. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    lol,, its so easy to get under your skin i dont need any professional help..:p

    how many times have i said im not a republican and will not vote for mccain or obama for that matter on here? dozens of times..

    still simply because i enjoy stirring the pot around here you seem to have it in your head im some kind of right wing wacko..
    just because im not a supporter of the democratic party does not mean im a republican..

    it should already be known around here,i am a libertarian and a constitutionalist.
     
  17. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    He is a koolaid drinker HHB. He likes to root for his team.
     
  18. SunLion

    SunLion Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    lol,, its so easy to get under your skin i dont need any professional help.

    It doesn't hurt me, but your rightwing propaganda has left a lot of dead people across Iraq.

    how many times have i said im not a republican and will not vote for mccain or obama for that matter on here? dozens of times..

    Given that you're constantly posting rightwing Republican talking points, I'm sure you'll vote for McCain. You certainly have fallen for his lines!

    still simply because i enjoy stirring the pot around here you seem to have it in your head im some kind of right wing wacko..

    You repeat their ideas without even questioning or examining them, which makes you one of them. You're doing their work, the work they most want you to do.

    just because im not a supporter of the democratic party does not mean im a republican..

    it should already be known around here,i am a libertarian and a constitutionalist.

    Yet you're always here to carry water for rightwing extremists. Funny.
     
  19. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Bullshit. HHB is one of the most anti-war people in these forums. That's why he isn't voting for Obama.
     
  20. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I've done some reconsidering since watching the RNC Convention, and although I think Sarah Palin is personable, a great media presenter I can no longer support her. All the hype about winning the Iraq war at any cost, the talk of possible war against Russia and the meer shrug and acknowledgement that we are sending Georgia a billion dollars, were enough to turn me off.

    The fact that she's sending her son off to fight in the middle east doesn't buy my vote anymore than McCain's war stories could ever buy it. I'd rather hear him explain about the anti-american letters, and statements he drafted while in captivity. I'd like him to explain why he didn't feel it important to cast a vote for increased veterans benefits.

    All the talk about Obama voting present, well at least he cast a vote. McCain has missed 69 percent of the votes he could have voted on.

    And as for reading prisoners their rights under US law until convicted the accused is entitled to certain rights. To exempt some and not all opens a can of worms I don't think we want to open. And is something I think a past prisoner of war would be aware of unless as an admiral's son he was given preferrential treatment. Torture wasn't right for Hitler, Sadaam and others it shouldn't be seen as justified by us. I would rather comprise my own safety then allow torture under any circumstances.
     

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