A couple of questions

I am not a christian. But i have a couple of questions.

1) Is there a difference between god and jesus? Is Jesus the human form of god? Who is judging on "judgment day". god or jesus?

2) What is the difference between god satan and jesus? God is immortal and has control over destiny and peoples lives. But satan is also immortal. and has control over people. So if god is the only immortality and form of a "god", then wouldnt that mean satan is god aswell? Who do you meet when you go to heaven/hell?

 

Anybody have any answer for me?

 

when you say God, I assume you are referring to God the Father. But the most fundamental explanation to your question is that of the trinity. Supposedly, "God" is an entity that is a combination of three parts, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus would be the Son, while what most people refer to as God, would be the Father.

I dont understand why you say God and Satan have contol over people and their lives. If they did, then we would not have free will. Also, I wouldn't equate "immortal" and "eternal" as necessarily the same thing.

 

Yes, there is a difference between God and Jesus. Just as your father is different from you, God is different from his son, Jesus.
No, Jesus is not the human form of God.
Jesus is the one appointed by God to "judge the living and the dead." So Jesus does the judging under the authority of God.

The three you mention are all spirit beings with different personalities. Yes, God is immortal but Satan is not. If you were able to go to heaven that is where God and Jesus reside and you would see them. You would not see Satan as he has been cast out of heaven to the earth. If you went to hell you would see no one because hell is the common grave of mankind and you would be dead and would not be able to see anything.

 

When ever you say God, I believe you would be talking about God the Father. But you also may be talking about God the Son. Which is Jesus. Really, they're different and the same at the same time. God is god of course. No doubt about that. But Jesus was Half man, Half God the Father. It's complicated... And God is good Satan is Evil. That one is straight forward

 

My opinion:

1) When I think of the trinity, i believe that all three are inherently one. God the father, Jesus the son, and the holy spirit are all parts to one whole. Now, you can look at other Christian doctrines and sects, and some do not recognize the trinity at all. Judgement day would be God, but since (IMO) God and Jesus are interchangeable, then it would be both. It's like Mahayana Buddhist belief that the Buddah IS the embodiment of the universe (or God - to me both are the same -just a different name, that's all) and when the Buddha left his physical body in mortal death, he then rejoined the universe (or God)

2) According to legend, Satan was God's favorite angel and got so full of pride that he thought he could take God over. Also, accordint to Milton's Paradise Lost, Satan became jelouse of Man because he saw that God loved Man more than the angels. The angels in heaven thus split into two sides, a war ensued, and Satan and his army was eventually smote, kicked out of heaven and fell. Enter snake in Garden of Eden.....
So in looking at it that way, Satan is NOT God, he is a fallen angel. And God and Satan are still at war fighting for either the Salvation of Man (God) or the Damnation of Man (Satan). Now as for who do you meet?? Who freaking knows....who knows if anything happens after you die. You ever heard a story about the afterlife firsthand? Me neither......

I hope this helped you to get answers....

 

^What Dolly said sums it up pretty well, imo.
Plus, it furthur says in the Bible that satan Is the prince of this world - but that does Not make him a god. Satan is allowed only as much influence as a person allows him.

 

There is supposed to be an angel that meets you in heaven and either lets you in or sends you to hell. I think it was St Michael? someone else may be able to confirm who it is.

 

It has been convention and pop cultue that St Peter meets you at the "gates of heaven" because Jesus says that he will have the keys to heaven.

 

yeah thats the one. cheers.

 

For some reason, I feel convicted to add that, in my understanding of the Lord God, that Yes, indeed, Jesus was God in human form - thus making the True trinity, which we've already discussed. (God the father, the Son and the Holy Ghost)
To me, that - the fact that Jesus was the only perfect human (and he only lasted 33 years here in flesh)- differentiates the Lord God Jehovah from the others.
For the Bible, itself does Not deny the presence of other "gods". If you want, I can give scripture - but that's the truth. iIn fact to separate God the Father from the Son is quite wrong, and can give scripture.

After the Birth of Jesus, His life and Ascention - a Lot of things previously done in "worshiping" God completely changed.

In my opinion, if one had never Known God and were to read Only the Red Words in the New Testament, those words spoken by Jesus before And after resurrection from the grave (but before Ascention), and even Try do to as He asks, your life will/would change. Again, I hope not to start a big dealio debate and can back up what I say - for the Vast Majority - with scripture. I'm just answering and letting you know that following God as Master and Jesus' example as a human will give you a life of peace like no other.
Now I'm Always a sinning, He Expects that (that's in there, too!); but, truly the longer I've strived to do right, following His example, the better

 

If you only read the words in red, as you suggested, you will notice the Jesus himself NEVER said that he was God or part of some trinity and only said he was God's son and that he was here on earth to do God's will not his own will. So, seeing as I tend to believe what Jesus actually said in this matter, it would seem Jesus is God's son and not the Lord God Jehovah and not part of some trinity (a word never even used in the Bible).

 

I truly hope this will inspire at least some people to read those Red Words, because there are Many instances in which Jesus Does, in fact, say that he and God are one and/or the same. I will cite only a few: John 10:30;
John 14: 9-14; John 16:26-28, John 5: 22,23.
The following verses are in the Bible; but not in Red. However, I still feel they are pertinent in this:
For those that separate the Son from the Father - read 2 John 7-9 or
1 John 4: 1-3. Jude had a bit to say about all of this, too.

 

There's an interesting pattern to the sources you cite: John, John, John, John, John, John, and oh yes, Jude. None of the synoptic gospels are cited. John is generally believed to be the last of the gospels, written circa 90-100 A.D., and reflecting the highest "Christology"--i.e., doctrinal elaboration about the divine nature of Jesus. Traditional Christians believe it is equally inspired and true, as the word of God. Critical scholars suspect that it reflects a the triumph of dogma over reality.

 

I'm pretty sure I don't understand just what you're trying to tell me, but I do hope you realize that the reason I used the first group of "Johns" is because it was what Jesus said. I was replying to the fact that supposedly Jesus had not said what I knew He did say. John was simply the easiest (and shortest - my bad) to quote Jesus from.
The rest were 1st and 2nd John, completely different books, giving info on how to view "separating" Jesus from God.

 

Do you "know" that He said it because it's in the Gospel according to John? All I was saying is that there are those who aren't sure the Gospel according to John is reliable. Of course, there are those who aren't sure that the other gospels are reliable either, but more are suspicious about John because it was the last, reflects strong Greek influence in identifying Jesus with the Logos, and portrays Him as somewhat less human and more godlike than the others. The thinking is that as time past, Jesus became more godlike and less human to followers who never met the man. But if you believe that all four gospels are divinely inspired, you're correct that there is strong support for Jesus' divinity in that gospel.

 

If it would be better, I found some references in Matthew and Mark - Luke I'm still working with.

Back to the original post: Like dolly said: We'll know when we know - about the judgement.

and I'm strange enough to believe that one God Could be all (mine is Jehovah in His Trinity!) He could possibly be Buddha to his people, Muhammed to his, Allah, etc. - and a sincere, Unselfish, and spiritual path where you recognize a Master Creator - well, it could well all lead to the same place. I realize this may flip some people out, and I'm sorry ahead of time.iggy:

I'm more than fulfulled in my belief system; yet I cannot judge someone else's spiritual path toward (unselfish) enlightment.

And this is neither the place nor time to go into my thoughts on the devil
Believe me. Sticking with what I've already said is enough for one post, huh?

 

To those that actually know God, there is one definition.

To those that don't, there will be many.


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not strange at all...I believe that God (or whatever name one addresses their higher beleifs) has his/her people in all persuasions. If anyone just studies a bit of Religion, it is folly to not recognize certain similarities.

 

God bless you and thank you, dollydagger, for letting me know I'm not alone with these thoughts. For I thought you had expressed basically the same idea, albeit more eloquently.
So many people that consider themselves Christians would consider such thoughts (as ours) heresy, if not outright blasphemy - something (the blasphemy) I would/will avoid at all costs!
at any rate, thanks