Promoting genocide for whites? Noel Ignatiev and the culture of Western suicide

Promoting genocide for whites? Noel Ignatiev and the culture of Western suicide

Part of a long tradition that has opposed white interests and identity — the culture of critique that has become the culture of Western suicide.

There has been a renewed interest recently in a 2002 article by Paul Craig Roberts, actually the first of two (here is the second), drawing attention to a rather frightening phenomenon at Harvard University: the effort by a professor, Noel Ignatiev, and his journal, Race Traitor, to promote the "cultural and psychological genocide of whites."

Now that’s an odd choice of words—guaranteed to draw attention to himself and his ideas. Was he in any way also promoting the slaughter/liquidation of whites, as some of his adversaries have suggested? Ignatiev says no. In his words,

We frequently get letters accusing us of being "racists," just like the KKK, and have even been called a "hate group." …

Our standard response is to draw an analogy with anti-royalism: to oppose monarchy does not mean killing the king; it means getting rid of crowns, thrones, royal titles, etc….

Ignatiev et al. have developed a story that goes as follows: A bunch of very bad people got together and created a category called "white" to which they belong but people with different colored skin can’t belong. Then they made laws that favored people in the white category, they colluded with other whites to dominate the economic and political process, and they invented baseless scientific theories in which whiteness had its roots in real biological differences.

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Read closely, motherfucker: You are not the first, nor will you be the last white supremacist asshole to be ridiculed into oblivion on these forums. Most people reading will be too smart to be taken in by your bullshit. Spare us.... or, for the love of god, post something coherent, instead of copy/pasting white supremacist propaganda.
If I were you, I'd go find a tailpipe to suck on.... because if you ever started spiuting that shit within earshot of ME.... it'd be the last time.
Go die.

 

Crazy Horse, just curious Bro, where and how did you equate "Genocide for whites" with his being a white supremicist? His thread is in relation to Noel Ignatiev, a man who wants to see the White race as a "whole" die off, not dominate. How this turned into a white supremacist issue kinda' puzzles me.

Heres the source story, a bit more explicit so mabey it'll help clear it up for ya'.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.com/articles/Editorial-Ignatiev.html#Ignatiev

 

What are you talking about? Ignatiev is a huge bigot, that's nothing new. How is this guy reporting on Ignatiev's bigotry "white supremacist propaganda"?

"The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists. Make no mistake about it, we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as ‘the white race’ is destroyed - not ‘deconstructed’ but destroyed."

That's a quote from Ignatiev, from six years ago.

 

Perhaps if you read AwsomeHip's other four posts, and a little about the organization who's website from which they were copied- and read between the lines, because no hate group advertises itself as such- his agenda may become more clear.
Here's and excerpt from the National Policy Institute's "Statement of Principals":

Or how about this?

There's lots more to be seen on the site if you care to have a look. Whether it's hidden between the lines or stated outright, the consistant theme is the superiority of the white race. It's wrought with fear mongering about immigrants, crime, "liberal" politicians pandering to multiculturalism, etc, etc, etc.... Go have a look. And read critically.

I am, by the way, somewhat familiar with Ignatiev and Race Traitor. The quote you posted, Deisceabal is very telling- the key phrase, I think is "social construct known as ‘the white race’". Nowhere does Ignatiev advocate genocide. You should at least take the time to read the man's work yourself before misrepresenting him based on a white supremacist's blog. You don't even have to dig all that deep. From Race Traitor's website, front page:

I appologise for the excess of quotes in this post, but I'd like for each of these groups to speak for themselves. I think you can see why the two would come into conflict, and what interest the Occidental Observer and NPI would have in misrepresenting Ignatiev. Race, as is well articulated above, is an artificial construct designed to bestow privlege on a particular group of people. This is what Ignatiev and the writers of Race Traitor wish to abolish. NOT people of a particular skin tone.

This commentary is not by any means complete- I frankly was comletely unprepared for anyone to come to this fool's defence. I'll have to ask you to investigate this for yourself. And read critically.
Peace. (and by this I mean real peace, not the kind that comes as a result of mass deportation)

 

Crazy Horse;

Exactly

He’s not talking about the deliberate and systematic extermination of the white race; only the subculture which surrounds the white race and has led to generations of institutional white privilege.

That privilege which has given them a tactical advantage over others for decades

Hotwater

 

So those with European heritage have "figured it out" and now have to have their way of life destroyed for "equality"? More multicultural fascism, in my opinion. Those with the clout to make such changes should leave people the fuck alone.

 

When you say "their way of life", do you not realise that you're talking about great privilege at the expense of others? Because yes, obviously that would be needed in the name of equality! And if, as you seem to be intimating, they were only in that situation of privilege because they'd "figured it out" - because of some advantage inherent to them as a culture/race - then they'd naturally regain that advantage, wouldn't they?

It's really lame that someone who is angry at whiteness as an institution is branded "genocidal". Although I guess the name "Race Traitor" doesn't help by provoking it.

 

No, absolutely not. Our past is no less savage then the past of other races, religions and creeds. Even if our history was more barbaric, that wouldn't justify the mistreatment of whites almost 200 generations later.

Then you would be deciding the fate or, at the very least, diluting the fate of communities based on race.

What's the racial background of the Bolsheviks who could and would do this? The WASP certainly isn't the picture that the bigot paints him to be if he's working in a corn field in Iowa.

 

Multicultural fascism? And what am I, an anarcho-fascist. That statement is absurd on it's face. How can a rejection of system in which a small group of people benefit from the blood and sweat of the rest of the planet be associated with fascism? What is fascist about rejecting a value system based on privilege at the expense of the poor? These people do alot of fear mongering regarding race based crime and violence on the part of minorities, non-whites, etc. While there may be isolated cases, this is mostly baseless. Even their favorite cases to march out fall flat upon closer examination. Such as the various 'race' riots in north america of the past few decades. What is not mentioned about these is that interpersonal violence- much less racial violence was remarkably rare. The collective rage was overwhelmingly turned against property. This shows a distinct class conciousness. Not racial conciousness. In early america, people of different cultures mingles very peacefully when removed from the influence of the elite. This is where NPI's fundamental lie is revealed- that race does not inform culture. Even the Irish were concidered to be niggers, when they arrived on this continent. This was not due to their skin tone, but their class status. NPI's motives start to take shape here. I don't know what kind of financial backing the group has, but it would be interesting to look into. One thing I'm sure of is that a corn farmer in Iowa would find more in common with a coffee farmer in mexico, for example, than he would with the directors of NPI.
From this vantage, 'race traitor' can be read as referring not to someone seeking out the extermination of people of a particular skin tone, but to someone seeking to subvert the concept of race itself.

 

Yeah, but as has fairly clearly been stated, this is about removal of privilege, not "mistreatment. And where are you getting "200 generations later" from?! How long do you think a generation is? Because 200 generations is, by the smallest definition of a generation that I've heard, 6000 years!

You can't see any way this can be interpreted as anything other than being mean to whites? You don't think this is actually just a more realistic approach to equality than trying to pull everyone else up to the level of privilege that white people have in most nations, given the limited resources available?

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

 

Multiculturalism, as a movement, is not tolerating all cultures its tolerating different cultures only. The multicultural movement is not laissez-faire, like it ought to be, its millenarist. It doesn't want to preserve my Celtic culture while welcoming an Eastern culture, it wants to eradicate my European culture and replace it with an Eastern culture. That's fascism.

I agree that a lot of fear mongering goes on, but I disagree that its mostly baseless. To say that, for example, violent crime is just as prevalent in white communities as it is in black communities is just as delusional as saying that all 791,600 (2000) black men in American prisons are actually guilty of a crime.

No doubt, I totally agree with this and thats what I mean when I say multicultural fascism: oligarchic millenarists diluting our society and replacing bagpipes with jal tarang instead of leaving the Indian and the Scotsman alone to play together, if they wish too.
Actually us Irish weren't considered to be niggers, we had our own pejorative name: "paddies". The Irish were enslaved and whipped, along side of the Africans in colonial America, but the average black person and the average Irish person wouldn't know that because of our provocative media, academia and government, which we should never trust.

So a race-based socialism?

Yeah, that was a typo. 20 generations, a generation is 25 years in the States and a little longer in Canada.

Of course I can, but regardless of motive the result would be the same. Like I previously said, this is race-based socialism, its taking from white people to give to non-white people. Its disgraceful and would be the worst act of racism in the last 50 years.

 

Cultures different from whom? Whites? Are whites to be the culture against which all other cultures are measured? If so, then this would seem to be a white supremacist issue. And outside white supremacist propaganda, I can see no evidence of a "multicultural fascist" movement trying to commit genocide against "white culture". Hell, I'll be the first to admit, I have a knee-jerk hostile reaction to this kind of bullshit. you can see that in my frist post. But this is a hostility to the idea of racial privilege, not towards a particular group of people. NPI and their ilk will tell you it is. This is just fear mongering. And that's the point. This race based fear mongering has for generations been used as a tool to provide a disproportionate amount of privilege to a small group of people. Not all people with white skin, but a small elite group.
Humans do not typically organize along racial lines. This is the lie in NPI's claim that "race informs culture, and is the necessary precondition for cultural identity and integrity," from their statement of principals. The pale skinned %28 of world population referred to in that paragraph did not all identify themselves as being part of the same "white" culture. To say they were is tantamount to fascism. Self identification, not race is the primary precondition for cultural identity. Next most important, perhaps equally important is community acceptance. This has NOTHING to do with blood quantum or skin tone.

 

there's a lotta cultures among the white ethnicity, too, you know. i know jack shit about people from finland, for example. it's like an alien race to me.

still, stating things in the meanest possible way in order to garner attention has always annoyed me, even when i catch myself doing it. thus, i'm not a fan of this noel guy.

 

That's perfectly fine, but what's at issue here is not his literary tone. What I take issue with is the misrepresentation of the guy's work, for the purposes of inciting racial hatred in furtherance of a white supremacist agenda.

 

Who do you think is preventing your from celebrating your Celtic culture? Why aren't you doing it right now?