Bill Ayers - Domestic Terrorist or American Hero?

The goals of the terrorist is not what makes him a terrorist, its his methods. Ayers is an Osama, using violence or the threat of violence to enact political change, even when successful, is terrorism, he's using terror and fear to get what he wants. Obama was right to denounce the man's past and so should the rest of us. I'll take Dr. King's and Gandhi's methods over those of Ayer's and Osama's anyday...

 

LOL! you start a thread asking if confessed bomber Ayers is a hero or not and then ask the impressionable people who come to your site not to engage in violence. Are you sincerely non-violent or just covering your own ass if they decide to be a "hero" themselves?

Some say that the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist is in the eye of the beholder, but I say it's in the eye of their victims/survivors. No one who uses explosions to enact political change is a hero. Al-queda is not made up of heros, neither is the PLO or Hamas, or the IRA or the KKK. They are all terrorists. they all point to their enemies (nation-states) as the true terrorizers, but in what way does that excuse their actions? 2 wrongs dont make a right and all that... There a millions of people who use non-violence to enact social and political change and are effective, Ayers did nothing to help his cause, the millions of students teachers, neighbors and friends who marched down streets hand in hand, who did sit ins and boycotts, who picketed and assembled to speak their minds were the heros. Ayers is a terrorist and no univeristy job or education program can erase what he did, and he does not deserve forgiveness for his violent past until he asks for it.

 

And with that said i can not in good conscious continue to visit your website after reading this thread Skip. You can ban my account if you like, i will no longer be needing it.

peace eace:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-violence

 

shane you may be right about terrorism when it is a political tool, but I would question whether or not that applies in war and occupation.

What do you think we had in mind when we fire bombed dresden? we wanted to terrify the german populace. Hiroshima? we wanted to scare the Russians.

Terrorism is a tactic. It is no more or less immoral than any other tactic. It is wrong to kill or maim for political gain. Period. Whether it is assassination, terrorism, or any other tactic. But I think one can make a case that Hamas and the PLO are at war. Sure, they aren't on my side, but that doesn't make their methods more or less reprehensible. It's fine to call them terrorists for the sake of propaganda, but that doesn't mean there is any difference between you. You are just on opposing sides of a war.

I support Israel because it is in my interest, but I can understand that the people on the other side are not inferior.

 

And who is condoning that? Here is the thing. Either you condone violence or you condemn it. There is no middle ground where you support it under some circumstances, but are against it under others. The ONLY, and I repeat ONLY instance in which violence might be justified is if violence itself poses an immediate and direct threat to yourself or somebody you love, and the person threatening or inflicting the violence stands before you and can be easily identified.

 

"free speech" is freedom from censorship or persecution, not an obligation to listen to every bit of crap out there. fucking duh.

waste of time being on here.

bye

 

Thanks for this thread. I never knew any of this.

 

he isn't in jail, it's a non issue.

 

He's a terrorist. He used violence to achieve political goals in a democratic society. It was the peaceful protesters, the peaceful activists who paid the price for this. He achieved nothing.

 

This interest in ACORN more about caging votes and discrediting Obama than about terrorism.

Ayers and the weathermen were wrong as are some of today's youth that seek violence to make a point. I was against all the violent arms of protest including the Black Panthers. They openned the movement up to this kind o scrutiny and dismissal.

But McCain/Palin their arguments go more to the caging of votes because only if they can throw out the votes of the poor and middle class can they win. Ayers is old news...he's not Osama Bin Laden, who they (Bush/Cheney or McCain/Palin) have no clue on apprehending. He's an aging hippy now working in the education field. If he truly supports his new causes I bet he wishes he'd never met Obama. But I bet he's got a lucrative book deal in the works now. And many poor folks won't be allowed to vote in this election.

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_republican_war_on_voting

 

William Ayers denied entry to Canada

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Source.


I guess Bill doesn't have Hero status there, either.

 

Meh.