LSD and the way things are...

I've been having some pretty deep and interesting conversations about LSD use lately, and one of the topics that struck my curiosity was 'the way things are'.

My question is, if things were not how they are, ie. Government, Politics, Society, Time, etc.. How would it be? How are we supposed to be? or how would we be if these things were lifted and we were allowed true freedom. Would we be able to sustain a healthy lifestyle as a whole? Or would it be too chaotic thus being the reason for the system we live by now?

It made me wonder if so many users of LSD came to terms with the "way things are" why don't more make the effort for true change? Or what would be some of your own ideas of such changes?

Peace

 

There are tons of intentional communities and many are based around shamanry and it's insanely beautiful.

There are infinite variables...the way things are is because of the way things are.

You can think of infinite possibilities, if you want to.

 

I like to think when once upon a time ago we had a lot of separate communities and families and little kingdoms all over the world building and paving the way for what they believed, before all of them came together as one and then over run by a single Government, or should I say came to America and fell into the current routine of things?

How sad..

 

This is what happens to planets...

They globalize, become one, extend into space...

these are archetypal situations, universal energies colliding.

sure, we yearn for the past and simple, but it isn't any more.

We can still live like that, for now....go and do it, if you want.

I find myself going back and forth. (The forest and babylon)

It's sad if you think it is. I think it's rather intriguing.

 

I see what you mean Stalk, and you're right I should also look at it as intriguing not sad, it's just very interesting right now with where we are at with things.

I can only wonder what's ahead..

 

The octopi will eat mushrooms, I guarantee it.

Hopefully these bastards learn their lesson. Although this won't happen without massive waves of death. Ride the waves, Surfer.

 

yeah before taking acid I was convinced that mankind esp. the west is way off course and there is an ideal that we missed out on. but now I feel that things have occurred the way they were meant to. humans have done what was impulsively natural to do. we reached a point in evolution long ago where we went from a more subconscious, day-to-day existence to one in which we were more ego-infused, more aware of our individual separateness. in this state we are more aware of our mortality and of the need to procure provisions for the future. this led to farming, farming created a food surplus, which led to symbolate goods (money), and people could branch out with their vocations instead of ensuring their food for the day to feel content. this led to the rise of culture and townships, which led to higher concentrations of humans, which led to dwindling resources and thus fighting/wars. the same thing that gave us an opportunity for transcendence is the same thing that makes us fear leaving our mortal routines, personal separateness. it will be quite an actualization when all the efforts of separating ourselves from each other end up leading to reconciling ourselves as a whole. sort of like the prodigal son: he was more celebrated than his consistenly upstanding brother because he'd been absent, separate, and was restored to the family. and I presume his reunion is richer than it would otherwise be because he has gone through separateness and has all the refining trials and lessons requisite to being severed and then restored to the whole.

 

Everything is as it is supposed to be, nothing happens on accident. The true freedom is always available but if you only see "Government, Politics, Society, Time, etc.." then you won't see what surrounds you. Having these ideas and what if scenarios only tricks the mind and causes you to think to solve or know what it could or may be like instead of just accepting reality. I understand that your just trying to dream but that's all it will be and you will always wake to the reality that surrounds you. Let all the labels fade away because there is no name for the truth of all.

 

1. garcia + grisman = perfection

2. is everything really as it is supposed to be? then what is our incentive to change the way things are for the better?

 

Every night when I come home,
my wife I try to please her!
The more I try the worse she gets,
damned if I dont leave her!

 

i grew up on not for kids only. at the penn state abb/dead show a nearby hotel had a hand signed lithograph print of the cover artwork for it $10,000

 

Daym! I grew up with Yes fan for a mom (hence the Relayer screen name), but had extended dead head family. I grew into it at around 16, walking home in the rain one night stoned and hearing Cassidy on headphones from the '77 Boston Garden show. It was love at first sight

 

sorry this is really long...


It is hard to say how we as people on this planet would be if there were no government or various other forms of authority. Likewise...supposed...I don't think we aer supposed to be anything. We have infiitnite numbers of equally potential "ways things" could be. The response to the variables by various and all people led us to where we are now and the way things are.

Do this for a second. Think to back in the day when people didnt live in neighbor hoods, they might live miles apart. Cars didn't exist, and horse travel was still slow but did allow people in a small area to interact. slowly communities form for the sake of simplifying life. Small communes in a way. Gradually they get bigger, and communities can work well, but afterawhle things and people are bount to test and push limits. increasing the need for rules and regulations...this creates the question of who makes the rules? Well obviously the people...but as time goes leaders for the people are necessary. That's what democracy is, leader and speaker of the people...(what is happening to democracy...sorry off topic)...but then other communites have various froms of rules and regulations...different types of governments...

one of the natrual characteristics of human beings as a race is the desire to enhance technology. Think about it fire, hunting (devices), farming, communication, transportation...and they continue enhancing as time goes on.

the technology is a blessing and a curse, because while it enables such great things,it has power and so when used by the negatively minded people things can go wrong. this has craeted the need for the government t keep up with technology and use it to enforce the law. this kind of is where we are today.

because think about it we are protected, but the protection is scary and needs to know too much about us than it should. Especially as we become more close and governments have to create heirarchies and theres a chain of power...power in wrong hand or for wrong reasons...idk (that last part was just me rambling in a stream of consciousness)

so then "true freedom" i just dont know. Let's say technology remains...but govern,ents end. there become NO more regulations...OF any kind. In the world we have created and where we are now, this wouldn't work. like food places, they wouldn't have to follow any type of regualations. the economy would go haywire. there would be no ceilings and floor prices, monopolies, unnecessary price elevations, unfair competition. Perhaps creating a huge gap between rich and poor, and no inbetween. without regulations the poor won't even get loans necessary to get out of their poverty.... ---our world...society...where we are now I personally dont think is capable or ready for "true freedom"

however, i see what your asking about all those who have realized the problems with "the way things are" and why they arent advocating or working for change....i think some/we are working towards a time when true freedom might work, i have a feeling its not anytime soon though. But it needs to start being worked on now. Also I believe that "true freedom" can only work in a society in which all the people understand the importance of interconnectedness.

--i hope that makes sense, im really stoned and put a lot of thought into it...perhaps i overthought it--

 

It makes perfect sense goodvibes, thank you for sharing it was interesting to read.
I especially like how you brought up regulations regarding food handling. That is a point so easily overlooked. Things like Rainbow family and communes that are all about love are wonderful intentions, but how do I know a dude didnt just wipe his ass with a leaf and then rub some grease off the corners of his mouth and then hand me a peice of bread?

 

LOL
the kitchens I was around only let people with clean hands serve
but you never know...

 

Call me a sheep, but I've never really had a problem with the way things are...

 

I'm pretty sure my post went in the wrong direction, as I was more interested in keeping this related to the economic collapse which is what I meant by "the way things are currently". I should have made my post more clear...

 

In all honesty brother, it's a fucking illusion.

Sure, it manipulates peoples emotions and way of being...

but IMO, this is a wonderful thing.

 

This is the thread I was trying to convey with a more economical/LSD basis;

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=288656&f=89

 

the way things are now can work, but it is far off from what i think it should be.

the whole economic system is all wrong if you ask me. i'd like to see the fall of materialism and a form of sustenance that does not cause suffering to anything.

we are a long way off, but the vision is there... and that's a start eace: