What's bad about being a liberal?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jamaican_youth, Oct 17, 2008.

  1. jamaican_youth

    jamaican_youth Senior Member

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    I always here these republicans saying 'oh, he's so liberal, he's too liberal, him and his liberal friends' etc (about Obama).

    Just a simple question, what's bad about it?
     
  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    I wouldn't call Obama a liberal, just like I wouldn't call McCain a conservative. People do not realize there is a big difference between classical liberalism and the corporate socialism we have today, which is the backbone of both political parties. The media simply plays the two sides off against each other in their dialectical scheme to get the people to take sides and point the finger at one another. They know that if people take one side or the other, they will not look outside of the box and realize that both parties are the same and funded by the same corporate and international banking interests. They will believe they have a say in the system and therefore will be much less likely to question that system and ask themselves who is really in charge. So they play the two sides against one another to create a divide and conquer scenario, which is preciscely what the controllers want. They want the people to be confused, uninformed, and arguing amongst themselves over talking points disseminated by the corporate media.

    When I see Obama and McCain, I realize I am looking at nothing more than two puppets -- two frontmen for the same international power brokers. They are really simply actors who play a role. They say what the people want to hear. Obama says things that appeal to the segment of the population that has bought into the phony Left side of the dialectic, while McCain says things that appeal to the segment of the population that has bought into the phony Right side of the dialectic.
    They don't care what side you're on, as long as you're on one of the two sides THEY have administered. That way they know you're playing their game and have faith in the two-party (one-party) system they control.

    Classical liberalism and conservatism do not exist, and they haven't for a very long time. We have the Democrats who are basically Fabian socialists, and the Republicans who are neoconservatives. While the two sides do share some differences, they are really interchangeable as many of today's Democrats support neocon foreign policy, while many of today's Republicans support Fabian socialist policies. The fact is, their end game is exactly the same.
     
  3. Fyrenza

    Fyrenza Queen of the Ians

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    Nothing.

    It's just that right now, at this time in our history, we just can't (financially) afford to be liberal ~ we have gotten ourselves into a situation of dog eat dog ~ of our NATION living hand-to-mouth, with it's credit card about to be cancelled. We can't afford not to protect ourselves, and we can't afford to keep 'helping' people that, it would appear, are unhelpable. (The dems/liberals want to help people ~ the repubs/conservatives want to protect the nation.)

    We're down to the nitty-gritty, and ALL of us are going to have to buck up, as it were, to make things better for everyone, starting with ourselves. (Yes, Ayn, you did, indeed, warn us and try to teach us ~ for naught, it would appear.)
     
  4. jamaican_youth

    jamaican_youth Senior Member

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    Oh I get it, it's got to do with spending, yeah that makes sense. And republicans support fabian socialistic views? that doesn't sound very republican.
     
  5. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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  6. stalk

    stalk Banned

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    Now you tell me! :O
     
  7. AT98BooBoo

    AT98BooBoo Senior Member

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    Lets break down the word. The root is the Latin word liber which means freedom. So liberalism = freedomism.
     
  8. The_Moroccan_Raccoon

    The_Moroccan_Raccoon Senior Member

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    By US standards, Obama is pretty liberal. But by the standards of most other countries, he's quite conservative.
     
  9. maryjohn

    maryjohn Senior Member

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    Yes, Obama has to tread the fine line between representing his constituency and leading it. He also is wise enough to know how to choose his battles.

    I wish I had that kind of temperament.
     
  10. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    How so?
     
  11. maryjohn

    maryjohn Senior Member

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    did you not hear his answer when asked about gay marriage?
     
  12. darthkacie

    darthkacie crazy diamond

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    there's nothing wrong with being liberal -- unless you label yourself as such without knowing what it really means / without reading anything / without thinking.
    maybe I'm just around teenaged members of Obama's personality cult too often.
     
  13. maryjohn

    maryjohn Senior Member

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    well you are 18, what do you want?

    Are you going to let others decide for you, either by agreeing or disagreeing with any given notion?

    Make up your own mind, and don't sweat the "personality cults". You own quest for self-definition is a little bit less important than the choices facing us right now.
     
  14. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    *pukes on maryjohn's shoes*

    Woops.
     
  15. maryjohn

    maryjohn Senior Member

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    great. i was wearing sandals. nasty.
     
  16. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    Now you've got hamburger in between your toes. :D
     
  17. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    In todays world what we can't afford to be is less than what we are. Labels, liberal conservative they are nothing more than glib political terms. Bandyied about by both. It's not one team againist another. It's about what you believe in and support.

    Liberal is not bad in itself, as is conservative. What you have to do is figure out where you stand and read about both viewpoints. It has to be your choice not one based on marketting. Since Reagan liberal has been seen as the foe of free marketting...not true. Conservatism has been seen on the side of free markets...not true as we watch these bailouts. There is no such thing as free market.

    I pefer to see myself as a humanist. Someone that is involved in protecting the human condition and realizing that humans are fallible. And hoping that as a human I can relate to all life and enviornment.
     
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