Civics 101 with prof. Palin

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  1. maryjohn

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    Can't blame you. If i were a dedicated Republican, I would also prefer the one you posted, because the one i posted is PRETTY FUCKING DAMNING.

    I would want to change the subject too, if I were you. You didn't even bother trying to defend her. Perhaps you were too busy fantasizing about what is under that hot red leather jacket?

    Completely, and utterly disgraceful. But she is freaking hot.
     
  4. wackyiraqi

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    You want me to defend her? Fine. Her answer was dumbed down for the third grader that asked it, but guess what, she is technically correct.

    She obviously has. The Constitution names the Vice President as the President of the Senate. The Vice President has the power to cast a vote in the event of a tie. The Vice President can preside over the Senate. Maybe you should read the Constitution, or at least make sure you are smarter than Palin next time you try to make her look stupid. Do you want to change the subject now?

    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_America#Section_3
    Read Section 3.
     
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    anyone want to chime in on the constitutional duties of the vice president?

    The vice president is not "in charge" of the senate. The vice president presides over the senate, which is purely ceremonial except in the event of a tie.

    The president does not make policy with the senate, and has nothing to do with legislation. Senators do not allow non-senators to play. Any one with any knowledge of civics knows that.

    Again, for any third graders reading this, the vice president is not in charge of the senate. Not technically, not figuratively, not legally, and certainly not in spirit. The last person to try was Lyndon Johnson, who went from senior senator to vice president. He was frozen out too.

    The vice president does not "get in there and make changes" nor do they make policy with the senators. The constitution is VERY clear on that. And by the way, children are not dumb. They can understand civics. And that is some grade school kid with a voice that sounds like an adult male. Ok, I'm being facetious. It was a reporter. The question did come for a third grader, so hopefully the reporter stuck around and let the kids know they just got a crappy lesson from a really hot teacher.

    Yes, I think I can safely wager that you, I, and perhaps the goldfish acorn signed up, are smarter than Sarah Palin. Maybe not as shrewd, opportunistic, or ambitious, but most definitely smarter.
     
  6. wackyiraqi

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    Preside means to excercise management or control.

    Are you really arguing the answer she gave to a third grader? Give it up, she is technically correct. Sheesh, times must be tough for argument these days.

    By the way, semantics is important. :)

    While aimed at a typical 8-year-old, Palin's explanations oversimplify the Constitution's definition of the duties of the vice president and don't match the office's traditional role in Senate activities.

     
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    The president of the senate is the VP. The president of the senate is a ceremonial role. The president of the senate is not in charge of the senate. To "preside over" means to be in charge, when we are speaking colloquially. Not in civics. quick research for you:


    Civics 101 dude.
     
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    I think you need to diversify your reading sources. Maybe something a little less liberal?

    Palin is technically correct. Is this really the only argument you can muster up? An answer she gave to a third graders question? Hahaha. Really dude, it's kind of pathetic.
     
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    Pay attention. You don't need to post a quote from a link that I already provide 3 posts ago.
     
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    I think anyone reading this can decide for themselves if the constitutional is "too liberal", or if knowing the role of the VP is a "liberal thing".

    Palin is technically, legally, and literally WRONG.

    And wrong about the basics of what her job entails, not some "liberal" agenda, piece of obscure history, or some kind of hidden technicality. Plain old you don't know what the fuck you are talking about have you ever taken civics 101 WRONG.

    Now when you get over the shock of this, because it is all over the fucking airwaves, and the world is laughing at us, think about your choices.
     
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    I am talking about the liberal mouthpieces putting out headlines like "Palin argues that the role of VP is to control the Senate!"

    She was giving an answer to a fucking third grader. She wasn't arguing the definition of Vice President with anybody. The only people that are running with this story are the liberal biased media outlets. It's fucking pathetic. It is quite obvious that the media (and some here) look for any reason to ridicule her.

    If you want to bring up an arugment about her, bring up something of substance, like her charging the state of Alaska transportation costs for her children. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to question her about. You don't hear anybody saying Obama is a moron because he said he traveled to 57 states. Your argument can hardly get any weaker.

    If you want an explanation with a little less "spin", read here.

     
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    A lot of people think that the President of the United States is also automatically the Commander in Chief of the military forces, when the Constitution doesn't really say that. He can become Commander in Chief, but only if called upon to take on that major additional role. Since the Constitution doesn't specify who (presumably the Congress) must vote to allow him such a position, it's historically been given to the President as an automatic thing. But it's pretty clear to me that the founders didn't intend the President to automatically be CiC.
     
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    The woman said that the Vice President, also , IF THEY WANTED TOO, could get right in there with the senators, also and make policy changes that would help out Brandon and his family, also too. Ha ha. I added her normal abuse of the English language. Female Cheney times 2 or 3?
    Has this country, or should I say a group of sexually frustrated men that think a candidate is "hot" completely gone mad over such an incompetent individual? For those who would like a little more insight into Sarah Palin, check out http://mudflats.wordpress.com/ . Take a little time and listen to the people who have had to deal with her in Alaska. WE know pretty much nothing about her except what the McCain campaign wants us to hear. And, as evident from the last two elections, some Americans are so ill-informed, or are so full of themselves that actually spending some extra time adn really trying to find the truth is beyond their human capabilities.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdNgMKPV9xQ
     
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    Go to the top of the thread, watch the video, and think back to you high school level civics/US History

    then ask yourself why wacky is so fired up over this one.

    BECAUSE ITS FUCKING EMBARRASSING.

    I am a Liberal mouthpiece. Not that we care about labels. And Palin is a fucking moron. Not that we care about labels. Add to that: she is not qualified to be a school teacher either. Well, not civics at least.

    Many conservative commentators have called for McCain to replace her. She is a liability. It takes a true believer to be an apologist for Sarah Palin.
     
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    Article II, section 2 of the constitution:

    Seems you have a point. Thanks for pointing that out. Though I would have to differ on your opinion that congress would have to vote to make him CiC. Natural disaster or foreign invasion comes to mind. And any power not explicitly given to the congress is assumed to lie somewhere else. And as far as the army and navy being "actually called", we do have a permanent defense establishment and ongoing need to be prepared. Under these conditions it would appear obvious to me that the President is commander in chief unless the military is disbanded for lack of need.

    It is salient though, that the constitution gives the Senate, and ONLY the Senate, the right to declare war.
     
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    Ok folks, more sleight of hand on display. The Cato institute is a right-wing think tank. They are the only source quoted in the "less spin" article wacky provides. Everyone spins. It's the name of the game.

    The historical, political, and legal reality is that the VP has no power whatsoever in the senate. This has as much to do with Senate rules and traditions as it does with the constitutional definition of the office of the Vice Presidency.

    Anyone involved in national politics at a more than casual level should know that.

    Sarah Palin has not been involved in national politics. Ever. And she has shown that when she doesn't know something, she makes it up.

    Not good. Especially when you are explaining it to kids.
     
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