The power of Love.

lol i'm sorry stalk..i saw it on a documentary i watched a couple years ago while i was under a doc phase..i have no sources : )

what i remember them saying was that it affects the frontal part of the brain and impairs your ability to make sound decisions

 

"I dont know that I continue to see motivation as rooted in either fear or love alone. I mean, the basis for all creation is love, as Stalk has pointed out. So really the concept of fear or love as being the point of action where awareness branches out into a set path of conditioned receptivity and response seems to be more of an illusion than the belief that it is being aware of this programming which delivers us from deception. If love is the cause, sustainer, and destroyer of existence, then there is no fear/love concept, there is only love, playing out in infinite forms, misunderstood by us and labeld as something different. Sure, this kind of perception can lead to making excuses for ourselves to partake in immoral behaviour and say that it's all one so no big deal. But I think it is our perversion with our self love that causes what we think of as evil in the first place. So this all encompassing vision of Love Im talking about, is beyond self love, but rather is aimed at seeing the self in all. This leaves no room for excuses, but open the doors to acceptance. And acceptance is not a weakness, it is even mindedness. The fine tuned balance of dancing hand in hand with the heavenly celestial bodies that are all of us."

yes the basis for all creation is love. but essentially what love is, is an energy with varying forms that encompasses all emotions. fear is love at a lower frequency. "love" as defined by bill hicks is love at a high frequency. so basically the idea is to choose love, the higher frequency form of love because it has more "energy" than fear. atleast that's how it is on a fundamental level.

but on a more down to earth level love gives way to peace and happiness, while fear gives way to hate and destruction. so while love and fear are essentially different forms of love, they are really quite different and the only way to reach enlightenment is through true love.

but your definition of the love mentioned by bill hicks may be entirely different from "true" love. here is a page about love and sexuality on a very good psychology site that defines true love. if you have some time it has a few pages that are very interesting reads: http://www.guidetopsychology.com/sex_love.htm

and this is a long read, but it explains the whole wave frequency idea. it's actually where i got that quote from. it used to be hosted on aria invictus and a bunch of other mirrors but i have no idea what happened placand this is the only e i could find it: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85937390&blogID=242725723

 

I hear you Desos, but Im certain that Im talking about the same love. When I mentioned my belief that love is the fabric of reality, I figured I was on the same page.
But again I wouldnt say that love has a higher frequency than fear, in fact both are pretty extreme and intense in their own right, depending on the situation.
If we didnt have fear, we wouldnt evolve. If we didnt have love, its the same situation. I wouldnt say either that fear give way to hate and destruction, some people actually believe that the violence caused by a sense of isolated consciousness desiring to weild power over others is proper. This is a moral thing, not a love thing. Morals have nothing to do with all encompassing love. If they did, our loving God would not have created the balance of pain/pleasure. Anything beyond that gets into the realm of superstitious belief, souls, heaven, enlightenment, reincarnation, karma, angels, spiritual progression through astral planes, etc.
Im talking about what we have right now, a love that weaves the light of prana, and being able to feel blessed and naturally adopt moral behaviour out of respect, not out of fear that we need to adopt this love in order to advance for whatever reasons. Because when you step into higher beliefs and spiritual aspirations, one could easily say that this is a form of fear manifesting through ones life under the illusion that you are saving your own soul, so to speak, no matter how benevolent your intentions for doing so are, for example the Buddhists who dont come out and discuss God but rather isolate themselves from human civilization for extended periods of times because they believe they are bettering themselves in order to liberate the rest of us from suffering.
Love does not see fear, and fear does not see love. They are one in the same thing, and concerning the physical plane of reality, they are both required for spiritual evolution. You cant have one without the other, and in fact in my experience, most people who open up to God and try and better themselves, do so because of feeling guilt at past actions and a desire to change and share what they know with others.
So in the immediate, as well as the belief in a longer term, experience, fear does give way to destruction. But in the medium, it gives way to understanding through direct knowledge of what is right and wrong, and leads to an evolution which takes our species collectivley and exposes higher values and stronger moral character.
There are extremes in both, some of the wars founded on a fear of people who are different are the worst atrocities imagineable. But at the same time, they open the path for love to come in once they are over

 

yep, i just think that fear is an emotion that life knew in it's infancy and needed to survive then. but now we have love and it can take us farther than fear ever can.

i guess it's more of a moral and spiritual difference in beleifs. we are both right though in our own respects.

 

Yea I agree with you. In fact, I agree with you entirely that love and moral integrity is what we should strive to gather and harbour and share. Love is the energy that can only multiply, it's impossible to stop, like those monsters that when they get split in half, branch off into dupliacte forms and never end. :tongue:
Fight or flight as the roots of our awareness in infancy, now we can chose to expand our consciousness and see that life is love. But yea I do have a very unpopular approach to spirituality and God.
God bless!

 

hmmm so im wondering is it possible to live just by the principles of love, and without fear? or are the principles of fear encompassed into love?

and i don't mean in the way that "love is everything". im thinking of love and fear as two different entities here.

sure we can reach a point where fear has taught us everything it has to teach us and then move on to live by love, but once we are there do the ideals of fear still affect us? maybe they do because they have shaped our personality and we could have never have reached the point without fear.

hope that makes sense lol... im having a hard time exactly putting my finger on what im trying to say.

 

Fear is not the opposite of love..

 

And Im going to have to reread that when Im done work lol.
It just blurred together for me :tongue:

 

i'd say that they are opposites, or are atleast close to it. they are on pretty opposite ends of the spectrum that is the expressions of our conciousness.

yeah haha it's hard to say what i meant. i guess what im saying is that once you traverse through fear in our infancy and reach a point of love or self actualization, is it really possible to live entirely without fear?

1) fear has encoded into our ego and sense of personality it's lessons and principles.

2) fear will overwhelm love on a physical plane and you have to resort back to fear to stay alive sometimes. (i.e. a person trying to kill you out of hate, you can't just sit there and let them kill you)

i guess you could be a martyr but it just seems like there ought to be a method of sustenance based on love, without fear.

 

I don't know if I thought this up but I literally always say it, especially when i'm tripping on acid, to keep me in the right state of mind...

"I don't know what the question is but the answer is always love"

Love's one of those things that you find when your not looking for it, don't know you have it till you lost it, and can't define but you understand.

I love love. I consider our ability to love evidence of a "higher" power.

 

I dont know, I mean this was never my intentions when I posted here. But I see what your getting at.
I guess the way I see it, is that when it comes to a situation where you have to make a descision such as killing someone so they dont kill you, that is self preservation. I guess that is an action of immediate fear, but at the same time, it's also a programmed biological response. In fact I am of the belief that everything we do is programmed, every action we take in regards to our progression is an action that somehow leads to self preservation, wether it be protecting your family or developing technogoly which allows for our species to grow with relative ease.
So then that would mean, our entire existence and reason for continuation as a group of humans, has it's root in fear, and that the awareness of love is an afterthought, a benefit or a perk, to being alive that not everyone deserves because they havent enrned the respect to tap into it.
So no, it's not entirely possible to live without fear, even when you've transcended primal instincts which are driven by fear. However I think you can transcend once again, into an awareness that love and fear are the same thing, just different sides of the same coin, and thereby disregarding either as important or something to subscribe to, which enables one to passivley watch life go by as a sort of film which they are simply taking part in.

 

*to add on that*
Though I think, what Im talking about, is the more difficult approach to life, especially when you give no attributes to God (not even divine love) because this, as I said before, enables morality to go out the window, and for others, the question of "What is the meaning of life?" becomes even more pervasive, more frightening, and more insane. It is easy to lose sight of the big picture with that kind of thinking, but I believe that how one will turn out under that mentality is determined by the intentions for adopting it in the first place.

 

indeed. im sure that alot of people could easily just throw morality out the window if they adopt that path in life. i guess it could work for some people though.

it seems that this reality is rooted in fear and that we can never entirely be rid of it. for if we did, we would no longer be in this reality. but at the same time not everyone experiences love, and to experience such is the purpose of existance.

i guess really what i was getting at is: "is fear encompassed into love?"

just like lower level mathematical definitions are encompassed in higher mathematical formula, is fear encompassed into love in this way?

for example to find y' of (3x^2+2x)^3 (love) one requires previous knowledge of how to find y' of x^3 (fear) and that knowledge is encompassed into the greater picture.

i guess that it is. i'm still not entirely sure though... i guess i have alot of thinking to do.

 

No you have a lot of guess to get rid of and just start knowing. Maybe the next man doesn't believe it but does that mean that you too should not believe?

 

im not really influenced by whether other people beleive it or not, im trying to decide whether it makes sense or not.

 

so much as to where people question whether love is real or not, when in reality there is a love so pure and deep that it is almost a complete mystery why it is hidden so well from us.

 

im not questioning whether love is real or not, but merely the relationship between fear and love.

 

here is a technical definition of why should choose love over fear. love = low entropy (energy that is organized and is purposeful.) fear = high entropy (energy that is disorganized and not purposeful.) eventually high enough entropy means termination from the system.

 

If there is nothing to fear, then there is everything to love Isn't that great, why go any further?

The power of love is scopeless, capable of achieving miracles beyond what the reasoning mind could image, and yet there is nothing to love at all. It is but a purely felt experience without any needed condition. No words can ever really sum up what a lovely experience is, but the words that may be picked can be quite awe-inspiring. In it's essence it's usually simply, becoming, or just being aware of the deep connection and peace we share to everything and everyone around us. It's only opposite is what we create for ourselves in it's place.

Fear in itself is an illusion, it's not even real. Ofcourse it's possible to be living a life entirely free of fear. & I'm speaking of the condition of psychological fear, the fear of something that may happen, not something that will right this moment. The fear of psychological harm, the fear of isolation, the fear of the unknown, the fear of rejection, and so on. It's always an illusion, and not even real.

Then ofcoure there is the fear that deals with physical harm, example, a bear is going to maul you right now. Even there it's optional to fear the situation ("or be afraid"), but either way, from common sense/instinct alone you mostlikely KNOW the appropriate reaction is either to retreat or subdue the "PERCEIVED threat" (whatevers in your power at the moment), but whether or not you fear the situation is based upon other factors: readiness, timing, experience, etc.

In total, fear is just unnecessary.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aD6FLXqzgg
Youtube will show you the light through the matter lol

 

Most people who say "I love you" are not feeling true love in its purest form. More often than not human relationships are codependent and controlling commitments. Two people promise each other they will only love one another while they fail to realize that love does not work in this way.

Love is unconditional.

Love has no fear.

Although I understand why some of you say that love is everything, let's not forget that there is a reason why we use the word fear. We are trying to describe an emotion or feeling that is not at all what we would consider love. When a person tries to control another because they are afraid, their emotional state is not in love all though I am sure it is love that makes them feel bad about what they are doing. Love wants us to feel bad when we are not in love so in a way fear is a part of love because it is the lack of it.

Do we underestimate the power of love? Of course we do because most of us don't even know what the word love means.

There is good reason to believe that the human race is about to completely destroy our planet making it uninhabitable and I'm not at all worried about this. Whether or not we are able to save the planet and ourselves from extinction does not change what has to be done. The human race and the human spirit must learn to live in love and peace. The more of us who live in love and peace the better our chance of survival and even if there is no way to stop the destruction of our planet the more of us who live in love and peace the better the end will be.