Just wanted to let people know that you can smoke regular salvia foilage in the form of a cigarette or joint. It runs like $15 on ounce. Just stick it in a blender and powder it. I decided that I was going to smoke the regular leaf in cigarettes while I tripped on 16g (400) morning glory seeds. The enhanced leaf on morning glories definetly kicks your ass very hard. But enhanced leaf kicks your ass regardless. So instead of blowing my MGS trips away with enhanced leaf I decided to try ground up foilage. You gotta roll em big. Not huge but the bigger the better. Smoking a blunt would be like when they chew the leaves. You know when you begin tripping and seeing salvia. It gets all geometrical glowy color patterns that outline everything. The smoke is so smooth that it hardly irritates the lung and throat. The path of continuous smoking would only lead you deeper and deeper until you were finished smoking. Just light and smoke. The key is to hold in the hits. holding the hits make it work compared to inhale exhale. Don't worry about wasting any. The time spent holding the hit in allows the salvinorin to be absorbed in the lungs and the cherry to heat the salvinorin so that when you go for the next hit, the cherries heat is sufficient to activate the salvinorin. Trust me the thing gets hot and lights up hard. The experience is not unlike the enhanced leaf with a more integrative appeal. I did try the cigarette while sober and was even more impressed then when I was tripping with the MGS. Thats because I practiced holding it in and letting the damn thing smolder. If you smoke it to fast blowing in and out the cherry gets huge and I think that may actually waste it. You also need to take a hit, hold it in for awhile, release, then repeat until the smoke is finished no breaks for fresh air. Taking breaks for fresh air will disturb the assent up the ladder to salvia space and heaven. Whats up with the mind getting stuck repeating a noise, word or phrase over and over?
Smoking salvia in a joint is a waste of time, it doesn't burn hot enough to release all of the salvinorin A and a lot of the smoke is wasted. With salvia you're much better off smoking through a pipe or bong.
I TOTALLY get what you mean about the repeated phrase. One time I was trippin hard on 20x and the whole time this crazy loud overlord voice was dominantly saying NEGA-4! the whole time it made the trip hilarious.
No doubt. Its always some funny word or phrase. If you try to listen hard to what it is then it changes and you forget what the other one sounded like. And about smoking the cig. It might be a waste of time if you don't know what your doing. But I think your missing an experience that will be more easily shared with your chums. If anything it is very meditative. Even if you dont like salvia. This a very non threatening way to meet with her. Reading some post by R. G. wasson and hoffman. The mexicans used to come back from Huautla de Jimenez with the foilage and smoke em in the forms of cigs as a cannabis substitute. Some other writings, lead to information that suggest salvia cigs were smoked while tripping on MGS. Which was the basis for my experiment. Yeah bong will make it work I know Ive tested that as well with exceeding expectations.
The Mazatec names for S. divinorum associate it with the Virgin Mary. When it is taken to induce a visionary experience, the "timidness of Mary" supposedly allows the vision to take place only in quiet or darkness. Given the Salvia infusion at Don Alejandro's home, Valdés (1983; Valdés et al. 1983) noted that village noises prevented full manifestations of its effects. However, on returning to the room where the researchers were staying, he underwent an experience that surprised him by the vividness of its apparent "reality." He found himself in an open meadow conversing with and holding on to a being in a white robe. It was an astounding visual, oral/aural, and tactile hallucination. Don Alejandro said the effects of the Salvia were similar to those produced by ingestion of morning-glory seeds. Taking an infusion of the morning-glory seeds under Don Alejandro's supervision at a later date, Valdés noted parallels between the two experiences. Both had a duration of several hours, and the subject eventually drifted off to sleep. A side effect common to both experiences is muscular incoordination. Because both plants are psychotropically weaker than vision inducing mushrooms, Don Alejandro used them to a greater extent, since he felt they were less "dangerous." He told us that after becoming experienced with the Salvia, a prospective curandero progresses to the morning-glory seeds and finally to the mushrooms. The obscurity of this mint, its bitter taste, and a misunderstanding of its psychotropic effects have kept it from becoming a recreational drug (Díaz 1975; Foster 1984; Hofmann 1980; Valdés 1983; Valdés et al 1983; Wasson 1962). Díaz (1975) reported that young people from Mexican cities travel to the Sierra Mazateca and purchase dried leaves of S. divinorum to make into cigarettes and smoke as a marijuana substitute. The effect is reportedly milder than that of Cannabis.
One learns to become a shaman through an informal apprenticeship, although the Mazatecs will insist they are taught by a progression of visions from and of heaven, rather than by people. Psychotropic plants are intimately associated with this training, which can last up to two years or longer. In this area of Oaxaca, as well as the highland region visited by Díaz, the vision inducers are taken systematically at intervals of a week to a month. Once one becomes a healer the hallucinogenic plants are ingested much less frequently. The process begins by taking successively increasing doses of S. divinorum for a number of times to become acquainted with the "way to heaven". Next comes mastery of the morning glory (Rivea corymbosa (L.), Hallier, f.) seeds and finally one learns to use the sacred mushrooms. There is a rigid dieta, or diet, to follow during this time. "Hot" foods such as garlic and chili peppers are restricted and there must be abstinence from sex and alcohol for extended periods. However, many Mazatec shamans incorporate alcohol into their training and drink during their ceremonies (Wasson and Wasson, 1957). Breaking from this dieta, or ritual diet, could make one crazy according to Don Alejandro and since such obligations require maturity, one should be at least 30 years old before becoming a curandero.
But the only effects you'll get by smoking it in a joint are a headache and the sweats. Just because the ancient Mazatecs did it doesn't mean it isn't a complete waste of time. Also, salvia isn't a weed substitute, it's has no relaxing properties. Sounds like placebo to me.
man, u should def. try that ! ive been thinking about that too my friend can hook me up with free salvia leaves
Every time I try it which has been daily has produced stonger and stonger effects. Maybe the salvinorin crystals are gathering towards the end of this bag. Today I smoked after lunch and sat with my eyes closed in the afternoon shade. I was taken to that all to familiar place that salvia takes me. Yeah you get the sweats any way you do it. But I was impressed none the less that you dont need the enhanced leaf to experience the effects of smoked salvia. It is becoming a preferred method for me.
The effects are getting stronger because you smoking salvia regularly, your destroying your tolorance to Salvitorin A. If you keep it up you will most likely be able to trip hard off foliage/1X. Ive tried it, its possible
before i passed through the salvia barrier i just felt stoned. so im gussing lower doses of salvia make you feel stoned. try it.
No Butane lighter, no salvornium A, no trip. At least in my experience. I only smoke 20x or better out of a pipe or bong with a metal bowl and a butane lighter
Man I took my divinorum cigs up to the mountains with my MGS this last weekend. After eating lunch on my picnic I rolled up a nice phat divi cig. Sat and smoked with the method I use. That is taking a hit and holding it in for awhile, exhaling, then taking another hit without breaking this chain. By the time I am at the roach she is takin over. The visions are much more pleasant and easier to handle. With my eyes closed on top of this mountain. I sat in the yoga lotus pose and in my mind I was a sunflower that blew in the wind. Blue sky, yellow and green sunflower all with that psychedelic hue. It seemed that I was actually there. I know I was peeking on my seeds as well so it all blended. I smoked again when I reached the farthest point on my hike where I turned around at. The vision was Identicle. I smoked Again by this monster queen phalaris arundinacea plant I found growing out the top of a spring. You could see the 5-meo-DMT and N,N,DMT lace the grass blades. This time it was palm trees and I wasnt one of them. I was observing them sway in the breeze. it was as if I was somewhere else. When I opened my eyes I forgot where I was for a minute. I am definetly thinking that the leaf at the bottom end of this bag has more salvinorin content. Like salvinorin kief that has gathered over the last few weeks from handling the bag.
I really dont think you can smoke it like a cig. It just wont get hot enough. Water bong it baby. For real that s**t is so crazy. The first time I did it I didnt think I would ever do it again. Felt like my body was made of rubber.
