Do you Believe in...

Discussion in 'True Love' started by sophieclair, Jun 26, 2008.

  1. yumyum2k5

    yumyum2k5 Member

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    I think unconditional love is VERY scarce.

    I believe its possible because i love my friends and i love some girls and its unconditional but rarely do i receive that kind of care or affection back.

    Its a shame when two people cant unconditionally love each other, if its one way its sooooo not good.
     
  2. Born25YearsTooLate

    Born25YearsTooLate Hunting the mighty whifflesnark

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    agreed, man, agreed. one way anything sucks.
     
  3. firstdeath.finaldeath

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    I believe it's real, yes. Sometimes we do try to change things about our lovers, but I think it's usually out of concern if we love them. Ie, trying to get your girl/guy to quit smoking.
     
  4. mystical_shroom

    mystical_shroom acerbic

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    Yes, I do... But it's really deeper then just "love", love can be classified as many things...

    When I think of this, I think more of am extremely deep bond, a bond so strong that nothing could break it, not "love" or "pink hearts" but a very deep emotional connection that never fades and makes you want to travel life with the person forever, love is a silly word that people can just throw out there...But a true bond is something that is always unconditional..imo.. this probably made no sense...
     
  5. OldTroll

    OldTroll Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    SophieClair - - I do not agree that unconditional love is a good thing, but I do admire your perspective on acceptance!

    For a moment fantasize with me - - you marry a wonderful man, accept the flaws that you see (like leaving his underwear on the bathroom floor and sometimes being an insensitive male, etc.), and give him your unconditional life-time love.

    At this point I think that you’ve made a bad move. There are two obvious possible problems - #1 is that he may have a hidden side … like once every two or three years he kidnaps a kindergartener and sodomizes, cooks, and eats the child - #2 more realistically there is a likelihood that one or both of you will change a great deal over the years and go past reasonable compatibility limits.

    End of fantasy. The realities of life can push the concept of unconditional love well past reasonable limits.

    As for your views on acceptance - - spot on young lady! Do not even consider continuing a relationship that you think will improve because you can change him. You can’t change him, but you sure can piss him off if you try!

    If you only grudgingly accept his flaws (which may be flaws in your eyes only) over time you will surely find them more and more annoying.

    Whole hearted and honest acceptance is the ONLY way to go - - and it works both ways.

    Stay careful, enjoy life, and reread jrnyman’s posts as well as A Stranger in a Strange Land.
     
  6. jy02927731

    jy02927731 Member

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    i believed it before ,nevertheless i figure it that the one like that is a suck ,because the girl would leave u as there is a gay who more love her unconditionally in pretended or original.finally u would be the loser
     
  7. Bonsai Ent

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    It depends what you mean.

    If your love comes without conditions, then in what sense is it a meaningful or positive emotion?

    You certainly can't love an individual unconditionally, because insisting that they are them, and not someone else, is a condition.

    To say you love someone unconditionally, is to say that you love them for no reason.
    Which, hell, isn't unpleasant but it isn't really very complimentary either.

    The people I love, I love because of who they are, what they have done, and the significance of our history together.
    Many of them, I would continue to love, even if they did something that upset me or if I was seperated from them, but that isn't unconditional in my eyes.

    I think there are religious/philosophical conceptions of love, which come the closest to being "unconditional" in the literal sense of the word, but they have little to do with attachment, emotional bonds or romance.

    It comes back to something I said in a different thread, English, for all it's linguistic diversity, lacks a lot of words for different forms of love and tends to try and lump about 50 different concepts into one monosyllable.

    But I'm rambling.

    In short, I believe in philosophical concepts of universal love/metta and compassion - but these are far far removed from what I normally call love, and are really something completely different.

    In terms of human emotions, no, I don't believe in unconditional love. I think all human bonds are based on conditions
     
  8. OldTroll

    OldTroll Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Great post Bonsai Ent!
     
  9. sophieclair

    sophieclair Senior Member

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    You don't have to feel the same as me, just likeI don't agree with you. We all have our own seperate views of love. I believe you should accept a person for who they are and love that person for exactly who they are and not who you want them to be.


    Tiffany
     
  10. Bonsai Ent

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    I do accept people for who they are, but "who they are" has to be someone that I would love, so that love is not unconditional, it is conditional on who they are if that makes sense.

    I'm not saying I disagree with your view on love, just that I don't think this kind of love is unconditional, when we love someone we are responding to our values as they manifest in that person.
     
  11. OldTroll

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    Exactly!

    But I’m more than a little concerned that a person with a really strong attraction to the romantic idea of lifetime unconditional love might be deeply disillusioned as their loved one (or they themselves) gradually change into somebody who falls outside the limits of acceptability.
     
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