LAW on Buying Chems, Glassware, etc.

By zigzagman at 2007-11-19
Not opening the door does not help!


Where the pigs are

The US federal regulations relating to the purchase of chemicals and laboratory equipment/glassware are not difficult to find, but more than a bit ambiguous when you do find them. I've been surfing the web for a few days now, and have found many interesting things. Some of you probably know this stuff. Others probably don't. For those that don't, here's my compilation:

First, let's look at what the DOJ means by List I and List II chemicals. This is in 21USC Sec. 802. That's the US Code, and you can search and read it yourself at http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aaces002.html

From the US Code, current as of 1998:
(33) The term ``listed chemical'' means any list I chemical or any list II chemical.
(34) The term ``list I chemical'' means a chemical specified by regulation of the Attorney General as a chemical that is used in manufacturing a controlled substance in violation of this subchapter and is important to the manufacture of the controlled substances, and such term includes (until otherwise specified by regulation of the Attorney General, as considered appropriate by the Attorney General or upon petition to the Attorney General by any person) the following:

(A) Anthranilic acid, its esters, and its salts.
(B) Benzyl cyanide.
(C) Ephedrine, its salts, optical isomers, and salts of optical isomers.
(D) Ergonovine and its salts.
(E) Ergotamine and its salts.
(F) N-Acetylanthranilic acid, its esters, and its salts.
(G) Norpseudoephedrine, its salts, optical isomers, and salts of optical isomers.
(H) Phenylacetic acid, its esters, and its salts.
(I) Phenylpropanolamine, its salts, optical isomers, and salts of optical isomers.
(J) Piperidine and its salts.
(K) Pseudoephedrine, its salts, optical isomers, and salts of optical isomers.
(L) 3,4-Methylenedioxyphenyl-2-propanone.
(M) Methylamine.
(N) Ethylamine.
(O) Propionic anhydride.
(P) Isosafrole.
(Q) Safrole.
(R) Piperonal.
(S) N-Methylephedrine.
(T) N-methylpseudoephedrine.
(U) Hydriodic acid.
(V) Benzaldehyde.
(W) Nitroethane.
(X) Any salt, optical isomer, or salt of an optical isomer of the chemicals listed in subparagraphs (M) through (U) of this paragraph.
(35) The term ``list II chemical'' means a chemical (other than a list I chemical) specified by regulation of the Attorney General as a chemical that is used in manufacturing a controlled substance in violation of this subchapter, and such term includes (until otherwise specified by regulation of the Attorney General, as considered appropriate by the Attorney General or upon petition to the Attorney General by any person) the following chemicals:
(A) Acetic anhydride.
(B) Acetone.
(C) Benzyl chloride.
(D) Ethyl ether.
(E) Repealed. Pub. L. 101-647, title XXIII, Sec. 2301(b), Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4858.
(F) Potassium permanganate.
(G) 2-Butanone (or Methyl Ethyl Ketone).
(H) Toluene.
(I) Iodine.
(J) Hydrochloric gas.


That's it for the definitions of what constitutes a List I or a List II chemical. Analysis of further information follows.

• Wholesalers/retailers are required to obtain a DEA permit if they are going to be selling any listed chemicals. The DEA is, not surprisingly, particularly uptight about primarily mail order businesses. In order to get a permit a business owner must fill out an application for a DEA permit specifically listing the controlled chemicals he or she wishes to sell. This application is sent to the main DEA office for processing, and if it is pre approved then a DEA agent will visit the owner/company to review the application, evaluating the personality, facilities, professionalism and abilities of the owner/company, and advising the owner/company about potential hazards and problems with selling the listed chemicals. After all this, the DEA still has to approve you; it doesn't mean that you're going to magically get a permit.

• A company should never apply to sell listed chemicals that do not directly relate to their stated business; they can, but the DEA will look long and hard before approving it. The fewer listed chemicals you want to sell, the better off you are. Also, there are more than a few stupid people who apply for permits just so they can buy ephedrine (or whatever) to divert for personal use. Very, very, very bad idea. A DEA agent on the West Coast told a friend that this is not uncommon, and that the DEA will see right through you. It's one of the things they're looking for when they do their little pre approval interview.

• They seem to focus heavily on PPA, ephedrine and pseudoephedrine in their regulation of precursors. This means that they care a lot about methamphetamine (perhaps because it's cheap to make and so immensely popular in this country), but don't seem to be quite as tuned in to the manufacture of other amphetamines or phenethylamines. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY WON'T BUST YOU FOR MAKING MDMA, MESCALINE OR 2C-B!! They will, and they'll probably send a dozen jackbooted and
  heavily armed thugs to harass you while the guys in protective suits are walking around bagging your hexamine and two gallons of sassafras oil (what the FUCK were you thinking when you bought that, anyway?) All I'm saying is that I think you're safer if you don't try buying any of the List I or II chemicals, ESPECIALLY ephedrine, pseudoephedrine and PPA. There are regulations regarding
  the quantities that dictate when something should be reported. If you're small scale then you probably won't hit these thresholds in a month anyway, even with List I stuff, but don't push it. No sane person would sell List I's to you anyway, and they would quite reasonably be very careful about List II stuff.

• Distributors are REQUIRED BY LAW to report any suspicious activity or purchases. The government has no specific regulations on exactly what constitutes "suspicious," but the DEA suggests the following as a starting point. From the DEA's DMCA FAQ at http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/diverson/divreg/divchhp.html

"The reporting of a suspicious order is required by the Controlled Substances Act and is of primary importance to DEA in limiting the availability of listed chemicals in the illicit traffic. Each regulated person is most familiar with its customers and the circumstances surrounding the orders it processes. The chemical industry must use its best judgment in identifying suspicious orders.
The following are provided in order to assist the industry in identifying suspicious orders:

1. An individual who desires to pay cash and wants to pick up the chemical(s).
2. An established customer who deviates from previous orders or ordering methods.
3. A new customer or unfamiliar representative of an established customer who orders listed chemicals.
4. A customer who has difficulty in pronouncing chemical names.
5. A customer who is vague about its firm's address, telephone number, and reason for desiring a listed chemical.
6. A customer who wants a listed chemical shipped to a post office box or address other than the usual business address.
7. A customer who prefers to pay by cashier's check, postal money order, etc.
8. A customer who will not furnish references or who is vague about furnishing references for credit purposes.
9. A customer who desires listed chemicals for reasons at variance with accepted legitimate industry practice.
10. A customer who is not a member of a trade, professional, or business association.
11. A customer who furnishes false or suspicious addresses, telephone numbers, or references.
12. A customer who refuses or is reluctant to establish a credit account or provide purchase order information.
13. A customer whose communication either by telephone, mail, or other means is not conducted or prepared in a professional business manner.
14. A customer who requests unusual methods or routes of shipment or who provides unusual shipping, labeling or packaging instructions.
15. A customer who purchases unusual quantities or combinations of chemicals or glassware in contrast with customary practice and usage.
16. A customer whose stated use of listed chemicals is incompatible with destination country's commercial activities or consignee's line of business.
17. A customer with little or no business background information available.
18. A customer using a freight forwarder as ultimate consignee.
19. The use of intermediate consignee(s) whose location or business is incompatible with the purported end user's nature of business or location.]
20. Evasive responses to any questions, or responses that indicate a lack of basic knowledge of the industry, or inability to supply information on whether listed chemicals are for domestic use or export.

As you can see, a lot of stuff can be suspicious. If you're going to buy stuff from a distributor then don't be a stupid jerk. Meet these requirements so you won't screw it up for the rest of the people ordering from them. For example, if you shiftily ask for large quantities of acetamide, and want to pay cash, then a smart source will report it. (If they don't, and if they OR you are caught, they could face a sentence of up to 20 years in prison for what the DOJ perceives as their recklessness.) So they report it, the DEA comes knocking on your door, and then they might do an audit of the supplier because he was stupid enough to sell it to you.
Or say you were smart enough to be professional and cooperative with the chemical supplier, but the DEA busts up your lab and finds receipts (credit card statement, purchase order, invoice, whatever) tying you back to that supplier. Well, guess what? You might have just fucked several unwitting bees who were smart enough to be inconspicuous to the business owner, but who are still on file at that business as having purchased potentially suspicious chemicals. Thanks a lot, dumbass. There will be a long line of angry bees waiting outside your cell to hit you with a lead pipe once you're inside. And I hope that you enjoy being brutally raped by psychopaths who are mildly bitter about facing a lifetime incarceration.

 

Great info. That part at the end was a nice touch.

 

Wazzzup

 

Whats up Spocompton??

 

old info
much of the chems listed can be found in any hardware store
even items such as ephedrine can be bought in bulk if you know where to look

the chem stores ahve a 5 year sentence and 25ok fine if they dont take precautions
use common sense and buy from small outfits and dont use a card

remember states like TX will bust you for having a flask or the like
pay the 10-20 bucks for a permit and know your state's laws
and dont do anything illegal
I dont