why do people eat animal flesh?

Well personally i'm quite convinced humans are omnivores, if you look at our teeth, placement of the eyes and digestive system we're made to do both, eat meat ánd plant m aterial. I don't eat a lot of meat by the way, only 3 days a week or so, and when I do biological, meaning it has lived outside, i'm even convinced it tastes better if it had a good life. I wouldn't mind paying 5 times as much for it if they gave the animals a much better life, but they won't do it because it costs too much and thats a sad situation.

 

its tastey?

 

Well it is possible to live without killing. Eating only the ripe ovaries and seeds of a plant while keeping it alive. And yes, you can do this and still get everything you need to survive. Many people do this, I personally do not.

 

There is no such thing as a true vegan, if left on an island with no other food except fresh meat you would be hard pressed to find any healthy person in the world that would just sit there and starve.

Being a straight vegan is unhealthy for you.

It's also a waste of time and more often than not a cry for attention from an adolescent American.

Whenever I see someone who claims to be vegetarian/ vegan I loose respect for them the same way I would loose respect for someone who is "Pro Life" because I know that they are probably intelligent people who got caught up in a ridicules trend.

And when they start protesting genetically altered food I just want to crush there selfish self absorbed necks.

Vegetarian and spoiled white kids from the suburbs go together like stink and turds.

 

This is untrue. Vegans can be healthy or unhealthy, just like meat eaters.

The rest of your post is opinion and fine with me... but I think that your opinion about vegans should not mean you should spread false information about veganism. Veganism can be very healthy.

 

Good question. I don't understand why, but I suspect (since I once ate meat myself) that they like the taste, and so don't really care about the animals' suffering.

 

how is protesting against something potentially dangerous on the plate of almost every american family being selfish? genetically engineering/manipulating the natural seed to an unnatural thing in order to get bigger yields and more money is being selfish.

 

Because it's not just American family's being effected by it.

There are thousands of people in Africa and the entire world that could greatly benefit from this so called "untested food".

People are dieing tonight because of genitally altered food protest's, there starving in horrid places of the world wherever that may be.

Think about something bigger than the United States.

 

We don't have enough cropland to feed all those starving people when we are feeding most of our crops to livestock.

 

No, they're dying because the effort has been placed on feeding them rather than on teaching them how to feed themselves via. Organic gardening methods. Dying because no one is digging water wells to better irrigate their arid soil and produce their own food. Dying because their own Government Infrastructure is in a constant state of turmoil and dying because they failed to be good stewarts of the land where they lived opting to grow or farm for fast profit rather than sustainability.

B.T.W. There are a number of areas in distress where they are beginning to revitalize their local ecology with organic gardening as opposed to the factory farming techniques that helped to destroy them in the first place, but it's going to take a decade or so before it's widespread enough to have an impact.

We could also be sending them Aeroponics systems which have been shown to increase yeilds from 40 to 80% and immune to the normal range of soil borne diseases even when growing traditional Heirloom varieties, and at a faster rate than normal due to the optimal growth conditions acheived in Aeroponics systems (Root Zone Temperature, Nutrients and good old O2)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroponics

http://www.biocontrols.com/

So yea', we are more than capable of feeding the starving masses without resorting to Frankenfoods or risking the potential of unknown hazards which could possibly have dire consequences to our own food supplies.

Mind you I'm not against the idea of the experimentation with GM foods, however I think we are being far too hasty with rushing this crap out into the wild when we should really be testing it for long term environmental impact inside biospheres.

So if you really want to crush someones selfish self important neck because they choose to look at a wider view of a scenario as opposed to rushing down a narrow and short sighted path blindly, well that speaks volumes as to where you're head is at.

 

What is frankenfood? You act like the food gives cancer or is in some way dangerous to people.

What is your wider view? Are you against genetically altered food?

Could you please be more precise with where you stand on this issue?

 

We wouldn't be feeding them, they would be feeding themselves that's the whole point.

 

franken food is GM food..

google codex alimentarius.

 

So is it dangerous?

 

The people in Africa are dying of hunger because the protests against genitally altered food in America?

 

http://www.cqs.com/50harm.htm

http://www.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/AboutGMFoods/DangersofGMFoods/index.cfm

http://www.safe-food.org/-issue/dangers.html

http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/AboutGeneticallyModifiedFoods/index.cfm

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7277

http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/codex-alimentarius.html

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/

http://www.ahha.org/codex.htm

http://www.livingnutrition.com/articles/codex.html

that should keep you busy a while.

 

So if you have read all those links couldn't you just give me a rough idea as to whether or not it's dangerous, You know save me some time? lol


If I think your statement is fishy THEN start giving me links!

 

no educate yourself and come to your own conclusions..

i gave you the links to all the information you could possibly need to reach a educated conclusion.. dont take my word for it,come to your own conclusion..

and yes ive read all that and TONS more on the subject...

 

Frankenfood, as stated by HHB, is geneticly modified food. Created by altering the DNA of the plant itself, the goal of course being the hope of developing a strain of plant in which will produce it's fruits and greens more abundantly as well as be more resistant to various diseases and insects.

As far as potential dangers posed by them there are many potential risks involved. It is a relativley new science, fiddling with the genetics of any species, plant or animal can have many unforseen affects which might not even show themselves for a few generations to come, Mutations and or increased suceptibility to other chronic ailments and the like. nature has a way of Balancing itself, and when we tip that scale, we usualy will see a counterbalance added to that.

Eating plants with enhanced natural defenses against disease and insect attack may also have a negative impact on the overall health and well being of those who eat those items. There are many studies underway now to determine these issues but they are far from being finished or thourogh.

So in essence yes, It may give us Cancer, or low sperm count or diabeties or kidney disease from filtering out all the additional natural toxins these plants have built into them to protect them from insects.

But thats really it right there, we dont know yet and probably wont for some time. To start pushing it out now is the same as using the Worlds Population and Biosphere as one big Guinney Pig, and as we only have this one world, thats a pretty foolish idea.

The other really big issue with these new crops is that Monsanto Seed Co. has developed and shared with other Seed companies the means to create seed strains which will only produce one season of crops, the seeds produced by these plants grown are infertile and cannot be regrown. Right there it will enslave many of the small farmers in 3rd world nations to the Big seed companies, forcing them to go and buy new seeds every season which is of course impossible considering these Farmers are already barely making ends meet in the first place.

This problem is furthered by the fact that these GM varieties will cross polinate with other strains, thereby likely passing on a similar trait of infertility to their seeds and further enslaving more already dirt poor 3rd world farmers who have used heirloom varieties for centuries, saving part of their crop for seed to regrow in the coming seasons, free of charge, a gift from nature so to speak for being a good Stewart to her Land. This has already been shown to have happened here with Corn, and many Farmers have found themselves in legal trouble simply for the sake that mother nature has cross polinated GM strains with their heirloom varieties which falls under the category of Copyright infringment and is punishable by fines and jail time if the Farmer does not destroy his tainted crop.

So those are basicly the potential dangers involved.

As far as if I'm against it, No. I think it can lead to many beneficial things for humanity and Mother Earth in the long run once properly and thouroghly researched.

The problem there is that the majority of people doing this research are doing so with an underlying motive of making profit. This is in turn encouraging them to push for its premature release as they aren't making nearly as much in the way of grants for research as they will be with the eventual release of a finished product to an open market, (Speaking of Selfish, Self interest...)

But if research were to be done over a number of human generations (Say 100 years) including testing impact on well contained Biospheres which will show the long run impact of these GM products on the very Ecology we depend on for our survival, I think it's not such a bad idea. But unfortunatly I'm not Monsanto.

And again, as there is no need to rush this new science to market being as we have very viable alternatives like Aeroponics and Hydroponics gardening methods to get the food growing more quickly and more abundantly to feed those in crisis, thereby giving them the time to learn the proper methods of farming and agricultural practices for sustainability instead of the mono-cropping, fast profit methods which have caused most of the worlds real hunger issues in the first place via. unregulated pestecides and synthetic fertilizers (And let's not forget Industrial Pollutants) laying waste to what was once perfectly good farmland, I would then conclude by saying that I think GM can be a good thing for future generations once properly researched and proven safe to introduce to the wild but there is currently no need for it to be rushed to market, essentially shaking the dice and hoping we roll 7's or 11's as ther are far too many safe and viable alternatives which can be equally great or greater in addressing the issue of World Hunger.

The only real problem I see standing in the way to a solution in any event is basic Human greed.

I hope thats helped clear up any questions you have as to my stand on the issue.

:cheers2:

 

Trust me I wouldn't take your word for it, I'm just curious where you stand on the subject, no reason to get defensive.