2CI dosage?

For those who have experience with 2CI, what would you consider to be a good dose to get full effects, but not take too much? I've only had experience with 2ce, but I've had a good amount of exp. with it so i wanna jump right in with 2CI. Thanks.

 

my favorite dose is 20-24mg. but i suggest you start lower because you never know how your body will react to this chemical./

 

Since I dont pretend to know what 10-30MGs looks like, as no other person on the board should, here is what I would do (and did for my first time)

Take a BIC blue (or black...) ink pen (a regular old cheap one), take the cap off, and use the caps pocket lever as a kind of shovel. mark the underside of this at the 1mm mark and the 2mm mark. Now, if u take a scoop out at the 1mm mark your getting about 10mg, at the 2nd mark its about 20mg.

Your scoops sould look to be 1mm high.

This is accurate for 2ci varying a MAX of 2.5mg if you do it right and dont over/under scoop too much.

I came up with this using method and tested it with a scale about 10 times, and it worked with little variance. I did this because i only borrowed the scale and could not keep it so i needed a perminant way to measure.

Also, if you place this pile onto something rather than licking it off of the cap itself make sure to tap it, 2c1 sticks to everything and you could loose as much as 2mg per 10mg scoop.

Start with 10mg, get yourself a glow stick, and prepair to see trails of light about 20ft long, and the ability to here over great distances. my 2 favorite enhancements.

 

yeah i was going to say be careful, very hard to measure mgs i imagine, and remember how little we do know about these research chemicals, there has been a recorded death from an OD or 2.

 

I know of 1 death from this compound, it occured when someone stole a 200mg bag, and snorted the whole thing.

he lived for 8 days before he died. Not too pleasant, but someone who snorts that much of an unknown compount is...........better off not amonst the rest of us. Especially when he heard the whole warning about "dont take more than 30mg total, no more than 15mg your first time..."

It happened in my area, and I know who he stole it from so I know a bit about it.



The hospital never figured out what did it, they thought it was something like an overbuild of seritonin and some other things in the brain.


And just for everyones FYI, if something does happen where u took too many, just get your hands on some clodapins (or however its spelled) and start drinking a shit ton of whole milk.
That should effectively lower seritonin levels enough to bring your trip down.

Also, for anyone who thinks they may have some perminant effects going on, try and get your hands on some choline(easy to find at a GNC or herbal store) and some nootropyl ( i prefer Piracetam) which is an RX. Taking about 300mg of the first and 700mg of the second over a 2-3 week period can effectively repair some of the damage done by repeated OD of most of these compounds.
This isnt a cure all, but I know for a fact that it helped a friend who OD on 5-MeO-Amt, who could no longer see some colors, and had minor visuals going on for weeks.
Before trying this I suggest you research it yourself, and I assume no responsibility for anything associated with this post.

 

I say start with like 15 mgs and if it is mild or you want more move up the ladder. I have found that anywhere from 15 to 30 mgs is without a doubt a safe dose in a healthy person

 

Listen just get your facts strait and read PIHKAL and TIHKAL before you start talking about permanent effects from these substances. In humans 2CI leaves no permanent effects and being as potent as 5Meo- AMT is I guess i believe that,but no amount of any chemical can cause permanent damage, unless it is a huge amount of a very toxic substance. Another thing is visuals are not toxic nor are they permanent effects. "Pyschedelic substances do not create the visuals they just allow you to access them".

 

I don't know if I completely agree with you there. First off, how can you say ANYTHING for certain about any research chemical? Little to nothing is known about the long term effects of these drugs. Not to mention the fact that there have been a lot of reports of people having health problems (can you say parkinson's?) after using these substances. I know of one person specifically on these forums (crackforkids) who will tell you that yes, indeed RC's CAN and WILL fuck you up, possibly even with moderate use. This person in particular has done a fair amount of RC's in, as far as i can tell, a relatively responsible manner (if such a thing exists with this shit) and needs to be on klonopin now for hand tremors. I myself have done phenethylamines about 12x and I can say I have noticed some hand tremors as well, that I'm pretty sure I didn't ever get before the PEA's. Also some increased HPPD. So, take that as you will, but I sure as hell wouldn't call any research chemical "safe". Granted, if you're smart about it you will probably be fine, but there is no guarantee.

 

QUOTE=Mollyredmore]Listen just get your facts strait and read PIHKAL and TIHKAL before you start talking about permanent effects from these substances. In humans 2CI leaves no permanent effects and being as potent as 5Meo- AMT is I guess I believe that, but no amount of any chemical can cause permanent damage, unless it is a huge amount of a very toxic substance. Another thing is visuals are not toxic nor are they permanent effects. "Pyschedelic substances do not create the visuals they just allow you to access them".[/QUOTE]

So basicly, as I skim over your post talking about how wrong I am, I see only a few simple things that are correct, factual, or just plain right. I went ahead and unerlined and bolded them in the qoutes.


Maybe you should listen and get your facts straight. If you think that substances have no long-term effects you are full of SH*T. every single thing on earth has long-term effects, some take specific quantities.

EVERYTHING, has a long-term effect, even water, 100% H2O can cause cancer in people, that’s right, a few studies I've read show this. Now, the amount of water needed is about 10lb each day for 10+years... but then again, if you choose to consume that amount your asking for it. Everything, can cause some long term event, some things it may take allot at once, somethings allot over time, somethings just one use... but everything can cause a long term problem



I know first hand everything that is said in my post is FACT 100%, none of it is guess work unless I said it was 'my guess' and if you read something contrary to what is listed than that’s just dandy, you read an article, I have tested, read studies (many many more than just those two sources which happened to get some things wrong), and seen these things first hand, in person, and even experienced some things myself.



Also, just because someone created something doesn’t mean they know what the hell it does to everyone, or how it works. They probably have a better working knowledge, but that’s why its called 'research chemical' because they DONT KNOW FOR SURE.



As for your reference to 5-meo-amt, you stated "In humans 2CI leaves no permanent effects and being as potent as 5Meo- AMT is I guess I believe that" First, your whole reasoning behind the statement is this.

5-MeO-Amt is so potent that you can feel it at 2mg, so if it’s so strong it could never hurt you. Therefore 2-ci must be the same.

Those 2 chemicals have about 1 thing in common, there both chemicals. And that’s IT.

Also note that even small doses can F*ck people up. My first time I did 5-MeO-Amt was interesting, I did 3mg. The 2nd time I ingested about 5mg, and my hand (only my right) had tremors for 4 days straight, it didn’t stop and it didn’t slow down. Now, when I tried this, the only other drugs that I had ever tried up to that point was weed, and HBWR seeds. And I only ate the seeds 2 times ever, no more than 3 seeds, so those had nothing to do with it.



As for the "Pyschedelic substances do not create the visuals they just allow you to access them" I've never head something so ridicules in my life. The fact that a chemical allowed you to do something means that it had an intoxicating effect. The chemical went in, and did something (unbalanced other chemicals in the brain, or directly stimulated parts of the nervous system), if it entered the body and does anything to de-regulate the way the body works, it means it is an intoxicant. BUT, that doesn’t always mean it’s a bad one.

As for the part about visuals not being toxic, that’s correct. Seeing things in no way is toxic (though some would argue it can poison your mind to watch bad things....blah blah) BUT, the visuals are cause by a form of intoxication. If you need proof just think about it. If I eat mushrooms I see wonderful things, but a few hours later they are all gone, why? Because all of that chemical in them, the toxin, was metabolized by the system, it was all used up and there isn’t enough left to make you see things anymore.



The part about visuals not being permanent is also false. If you take too much of something, there’s a good chance, you can stay in a similar state for a very long time. My example is the person who eats about 8grams of shrooms his first time trying them, he was lucky he didn’t die, but he was unlucky that he stayed in that state, and lives in a ward. The effects are very slowly returning to normal, and SOME of the effects of the shrooms wore off right when they were supposed to, but some stayed with him, like the visuals and intense paranoia. That was 4 years ago.

Also the fact that I have several Pharm-D friends who are spread among various fields (one happens to be involved in drug research, that’s street drugs, for the gov.) so why I may not know some of the working knowledge, they do, and you cant argue with independent unbiased research like that.

 

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"My example is the person who eats about 8grams of shrooms his first time trying them, he was lucky he didn’t die, but he was unlucky that he stayed in that state, and lives in a ward."


good post im enjoying reading all this, but im confused about this in particular,where they poisonos ones? i remember i ate about 10-15grams my 1st time and it was great, i felt so good and couldnt stop laughing.and how do you stay in that state you mention, plz tell id love to know .

 

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they werent poisenous I know many who ate from the batch they were just super good. 2g of these were better than an 8th of everthing else I'd seen. he also wasnt a smart one, and didnt listen to any warning.

 

I still don't see how he could have nearly died though. I've never heard of anyone even coming close to OD'ing from psilocybe mushrooms. Even the 4 years of paranoia/hppd is questionable...maybe it just triggered some kind of underlying psychosis.

 

that could be true, but theres no family history, but still could be true.

But if tripping can bring someone close to mentally unstable to a point, then it can bring a normal state too, and when your taking about as much of the chemical as we're talking bout, it could do that on the first time easily.

 

And, like nobody knows if he would have died for sure. But that much his first time, I mean everything can kill you and I never seen or heard of anyone eating that much ever.

and the fact that it had those long lasting effects, means something was going very wrong.

 

I tried 2ci for the first time about a week ago. I cant lie and say I wasnt a little worried about it the first time. But I was still stupid enuff to try it. My 1st time dose was about 30mg. It was absolutley as they say. Very duplicate to the effects of L-D and "X". I believe everything works different with different peoples chemistry though. I no someone who is about 300pounds 6ft tall and had a very dark exsperiance. I weigh about 160 5-11 and had nothing but fun. The colors were definatley brighter than bright, I got the same smooth feeling skin you feel on X, I was able to see well and hear well not to mention I could of had sex for days on end. I have never taken LSD knowingley so I would have no idea exactley what it does. But I defiantely didnt feel anything different then if I were to take MDMA and I did it 3 nights in a row and each day was Identical to the first time with the same amount taken. And I had no side effects or after effects. I just needed a little sleep from staying up so long. I could of felt a little nausea in the beginning of each session but nothing major but all dependant on the person once again. I dont normally get nausea from anything. So did I get sick no. i felt a little of it but it did not happen.

 

The problem with this is that not all 2C's are created equal. One batch can vary in mass significantly from another. That said, it would put you in a relatively safe range. The diff between 20 and 25 isn't dangerous.

Thats because you haven't read much or any modern research. It comes across like you're responding from gut instinct. Actually, there are many published theories that suggest that what is experienced with the classical psychedelics like L, shrooms and mescaline is the result of our evolution based cognitive filters being reduced or surpressed, allowing us to experience what we cannot at other times.

Or, instead of thinking about it, read more information written by people that have spent their entire life scientifically researching and documenting psychedelic experience using the scientific method rather than regurgitating what their gut tells them.

 

Do you have any links to articles/abstracts related to this topic?

 

At the risk of hijacking the thread... (its a little off topic but I didnt start this)

I don't mean to come across as well read, because I'm not. I find the topic fascinating and so I do try to read some stuff. Before I post a link, heres my summation of one line of thought as I understand it.
The human body is capable of sensing much more than we normally do. Through our evolution we have developed "filters" that allow us to function as we do, mostly through necessity. Most people know this but don't recognize it as such. Various things we experience could be called psychedelic. If you've ever been in a bad crash, you might have experienced 'hyper-awareness'. Time slows, you remember amazing details, etc. This is mostly from adreneline as I understand it. No one would call an adreneline rush 'intoxication' yet, it has similar effects to psychedelics. No one would say the hyper sensitivity, seeing all sorts of minute detail during a crash, is hallucination. What happens is our cognitive thinking and subconcous routines are altered from what we think is normal. A simpler example might be sitting with a cat, he all of a sudden turns and focuses on something, apparently nothing. You look and see nothing. Does that mean nothing is there? The cat isn't hallucinating, you aren't seeing.
Some evolutionary biologists theorize that we developed these "filters" to keep us from being overwhelmed with sensory input. It makes us able to focus, to dial in on what's important. We are cognitive creatures and to be highly cognitive requires moderating the other brain functions to a certain degree. Another theory is that what separates people from most animals is just those filters, to instantaneously access vast amounts of stored "memory" while we assess what's currently in front of us, validating with our experience while tossing aside "useless" input. It is supposed that psychedelics allow some of that "useless" input to enter our conscious, or cognitive awareness.
Of course seeing giant spiders or alien beings is different, but that's a different subject.

I guess one link that comes to mind is a paper by Humphry Osmond about a peyote experience. I believe some of his comments parallel the topic.

http://www.psychedelic-library.org/peyote.htm

But a much longer one, that describes mind function in great detail is this one... http://www.psychedelic-library.org/univcont.htm
This one I resonates deeply with me personally.

I can't point you to any one paper here, I've barely scraped the surface of this one so it may be of no use to you, or just the opposite.
http://www.imprint.co.uk//jcs_2_4.html#consciousness can

Alan Watts wrote this paper years ago.
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/watts2.htm
His description of the transaction between organism and environment is very much like the experience on my hawaii trip.

And of course just a bit of understanding of Einsteins theory of general relativity results in the realization that much of our experience depends on perspective. When an object appears to move past us, is it us or the object that is moving? To say that there is one answer to that question is to hide your head in the sand.

These are but a few, and it will be no problem at all to find boat loads of references describing psychedelic experiences and merely drug induced psychosis and hallucination. It is that kind of programmed thinking that I try to overcome, routine and 'normal culture' predominates most peoples opinion on this stuff... which is why all one has to do is read a skewed article about a kid dying on 2Ce and people cry out to ban the stuff.

 

Cool thanks, I got some reading materials now. I just basically opened them and did a quick gloss. 2 link seems very promising to the topic, I don't think I have the patience or attention span for 3 and the others seem interesting, so I will check those out.

 

Cool, glad you find them interesting. I don't take much of that stuff as gospel, actually I think we're about as far along understanding the mind and psyches as Ben Franklin was in understanding electricity. Govt bans have made progress slow to a crawl but there are glimmers of hope. I kind of have the same prob, short attention span and its harder to retain what I read than it used to be. I think you'd find #2 link fascinating, some of the theory directly leads to the idea of ego-dissolution or loss, as well as other psychedelic aspects. I have a hard time with the bio-chemical stuff... this bla bla is an agonist of this 5HT receptor, bla bla. I can't keep them straight. But the concepts of what takes place in the mind is fascinating.

I just think its ridiculous to say things like

when in fact there is evidence to the contrary.