Salvia Divinorum as an antidepressive?

I always seem to get this effect from salvia,a liftened mood that seems very natural,a sense of things being the way they should be and a path to look forward to.

Do any of you get this?

I was thinking of maybe a ritual,once a week seemed about right to maintain this kind of effect.I will have to experiment around with the dose to see what fits.

The thing is that to me salvia feels wrong,the sweats and the headache make it seem somwhat toxic,is this just the farmacological action or does salvinorin have some sort of toxicity?

 

maybe after the initial 'fuck, i hate this, this is NOT for me'; but i guess that's mainly relief from the return of a functioning mind.

 

i always noted that my mood gets better after a few hours since the experience has passed,after i come back i am in a kind of mild shock,assimilating for a few hours and after that everything gets better.

i did a bit of reading and it seems that salvinorin has little toxicity,maybe it's the dysphoria it causes that feels so wrong

 

to be honest i hate the stuff. there are far more effective ways i can think of to relieve depression, but if it works for you then good good!

 

oh ye - i know someone round here who uses it spiritually on a regular basis (once or twice a week) and has had great results..

 

It's like bitter medicine,it sucks but it makes you better...you only have to hold your nose.

What else works on depression?Other then SSRI type drugs?

 

Thinking without the aid of psychoactives. Trying to find the initial root of depression and eliminating it. Music helps to relax my mind and when relaxed, depression is less likely. Meditate and try and find your spiritual side. Do things that will produce a sense of achievement or accomplishment. Set personal targets and work to meet them. Educate yourself and learn new things. Exercise. Listen to new types of music. Watch new types of program. Play games. Avoid alcohol and cannabis - these will only put a temporary layer of ignorance over the depression. See a councillor. Talk to close friends and family or anyone you feel you can talk to. Go out with friends and socialise.

A British band by the name of Ozric Tentacles helps me if I feel down.

 

Ozric tentacles are great...

Well,finding the root is the only solution but that is hard to do and takes so much time you have to sacrifice life as you know it and as you want it to be,you basicaly have to go on a journey of self-discovery and a real,physical journey would be the easiest way.

Out of the things you mentioned only exercise helps,as finding acomplishment is hard when nothing really matters and life is painted in all the same dull grey colours.

 

I also have noticed a lingering antidepressive afterglow from salvia (though not the "sense" or "path" that you experience), which is very nice. For me, using salvia every 3-6 days keeps the antidepressive effect going. I'm not sure if the lightly throbbing headache is due to the salvia, or the smoked form of the salvia (tar, etc.), or chemical residue from the process used to make the extract. It would be a good experiment to use only raw leaf for a few months and see if the headache is there or not.

 

There was a University that did some study having people smoke it. It was said that the stress levels from the people that did it had dropped. I could look up the info if you guys want to know what school or where to find out the results they came up with. When I do it I also think my mood is more chill for a couple of days after. Its pretty crazy stuff man. Also if you didnt like it try a smaller dose. The first time I did it I didnt like it but when I did a smaller dose it was kind of nice. Pretty good trip.

 

After reading this thread I decided to go remind myself what salvia feels like, and why this stuff is still sitting in my drawer instead of smoked up. I got some 15x standard from bouncing bear, and that's probably all I'll buy. Maybe this shit is just too strong, but I took one strong toke from a one-hitter, held it like 3 seconds, and put the hitter back in the wood box b/c I know if I don't put it away my hands will shake too much to do it in a few seconds. A few microseconds, and I'm like ok, maybe i took a really small amount so I'll just ride a really mild high... but a few seconds later that thought was tugged away. This horrid pulling sensation and shifting and like a "clicking" in my head; i had to leave my computer chair and lay flat on the floor, then after a while I knelt with my elbows on the seat thinking both "that's why they made this shit illegal" because it's powerful, and "man this feeling really sucks" because everywhere clothing touched me it felt like having a band-aid tugged on everywhere on my skin. ecch. So now I feel a very mild buzz afterwards, but again this might be relief that the feeling was over!! Maybe this would be a cool adjunct to weed if added in small amounts, and I think I got better results when mixed with alcohol, but this is not a "fun" drug. Shit is staying in the drawer for posterity.

P.S. I posted in this thread cuz I have had major depression for 16+ years and am on multiple antidepressants (which could well color my experience with salvia i guess) that keep me from being suicidal but don't really do much more. I've been looking for some legal alternatives to MJ b/c of job hunting. :willy_nilly:

 

I smoked a full 20x salvia purchase in about 4 days. Just experiementing every few hours with tiny amounts (after taking a stupid amount the first time, feeling shit scared and gutted that i'd wasted a load of money!).
Thinking about breaking back into the world of Sally D after reading a lot of Terrence Mckenna's stuff on the subject.