LSD & Meditation?

Just wondering if anyone out there perhaps realizes the power of LSD as a spiritual tool?

Is there anyone on this forum that is spiritual?
Is there anyone who understands that there is only one GOD(whatever name or concept you call it)?


anyone?

 

LSD is a very powerful tool for meditation. It opens up the doors of perception. Think of your mind as water with a faucet barely turned on filtering information through drop by drop. Now when you take acid/shrooms/mescaline think of the faucet turned on to full blast and all the "water" that is your mind flowing through at once.

And most people here that speak of LSD making them spiritual aren't talking about christian spirituality they're speaking of general spiritualism. There is room for christian spiritualism though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritualism_(beliefs))

And no I don't "understand" that there is only one god. Saying that there is only one is being pretty close minded for an LSD user. Most acid heads I know are multi-spiritual.

 

ShadyGrove, I dont understand how you can be certain that there is only one god

or what if we are all Aspects of god, and in the same relation that We can be to god, other being could be as well, but in a way that is equal, more, or less than our own. In this way, there can be spirits that are 'below us' and 'above us' in a rank of constituting the Unity-God

As if we are all part of God, but we are also independent gods among many, all holding the universe together; being the universe\

 

Wait a minute, is James Brown still alive, or his he immortal? This immortality stuff is hard to wrap my head around.

 

everyone is spiritual, whether they realize it or not.

i am a person who is an active spiritual aspirant, i do yoga and meditation.
i do believe that LSD, and psychedelics do have power as spiritual tools, when used in the right mindset and setting. but they are just that, tools. when you cross a river, don't carry the boat with you, leave it behind. learn what you can, and when its time to move on, move on.

i don't like the conceptualization used to describe collective consciousness. God, Great Spirit, whatever you call it. sure there is one, but it has many, many faces. you could even go as far as to say there are Gods. im not going to get into that here, though.

 

If you don't take the boat with you, what will you do when you come to the next river? Sometimes it is better to bring the boat with you than to have to build another boat when you inevitably come to another river. There will always be another river to cross!

As long as you don't try to row the boat across land you will be fine.

 

I am personally a christian, but i apply many aspects of other religion in my practice. I apply mostly hindu beliefs to my spiritual structure. LSD and shrooms really opened my eyes to those concepts and kind of sparked a revolution in my brain to comprehend(as much as i can at the moment) the many outlooks of God(s) and how to apply them to my everyday life.

I strongly recommend looking into hinduism and buddhism. Try it out and get back to us! I'm greatly interested in how you experience your life journey with these aspects applied to your meditations.

 

build a bridge.
for too many psychedelics become a crutch instead of a tool. i was just stating the dangers of this metaphorically. dont read too deep into it.

 

you cant build a bridge without a boat
over a river that was so long that you would need a boat to cross it, that is.

carrying boats over land is really heavy, 3xi.

anyway, building a new boat in this context just means to start buying psychedelics again.

i think the point of the analogy is best summed up with the concept that you should not try to row the boat over the land

but what is land?

who is in the state of being in water and needing the boat and who has finnished that challange, and is now on the land?

anyway a crutch is a 'tool'. everyone uses psychedelics to have a good experience, primarily. everyone uses it as a tool to that end.
it is a tool for plenty of other uses too such as having a sensory enrichment, seeing the bounds of your consciousness, seeing the roots of your emotions, seeing the world without the ego-world (and all these things can be good or bad experiences).

Using something as a crutch just means finding lots of release from one of the uses of the tool, and then usin that tool over n over for the release

which is an unhealthy mindset indeed

 

lsd is meditation

and while yes there may be one God at the top. Don't forget the lower tiers, it is a branching tree structure with many fractal projections underlaying the top one. Much value can be had in lower manifestations of godly form.

 

This is how I see it now ^

God is not something seperate from you or I, God is simply a word for everything that is, has ever been, and will ever be.

The greatest tragedy of our race is the seperation of our potential from our minds into a distinct and by-definition-inaccessible "God" concept.

 

the parable i was referring to was a popular buddhist saying. the point of the parable of the ferryboat is that whatever skillful means, doctrines, or methods (the boat) you use to get you further on your path are discarded once you no longer need them. the worst thing that could happen is swirling around in the same river on the same boat not making any progress. when the next obstacle is reached, whether mountain, river, or chasm, use the appropriate skillful means to continue on the journey towards enlightenment.

i disagree. having a good experience isn't anything more than a selfish goal, and not everyone shares this recreational outlook on the use of entheogens. for me, and for many others, its not about whether my experience was good or bad, but about the cultivation of wisdom,a sense of true community with human, plant, animal mineral ect, healing on multiple levels, my relationship to the energies of the plant teachers, the energies of my biosphere, and the spiritual realities that lie beneath the veils of ordinary experience.

 

well if you don't enjoy psychedelics, just say so man. But I do them because they have the potential to be the most enjoyable experiences. But Because they are such powerful tools, any experience can be harnessed in some way and we can make the less enjoyable trips still useful (unlike people who just want a good experience, who might get nothing from their bad trips) and beneficial. But at the forefront is to have an enjoyable experience?
i mean, if anything you might be able to say that you wish to use it so that regardless of how enjoyable the trip is, you could have more enjoyable experiences later on?

but experience is all we have in the end...

 

This is what this body has come to realize, I do not believe it for it can't be believed in. It is not of the mind but higher than the mind. It is awareness of all that is(the mind, all of consciousness which includes everything you perceive) but it is also aware of itself and it is aware that all of these things are no different but made of it. We are not the experience of life but we are experiencing it. We have a body and we are attached to the mind and we feel emotions but in no way at all are we these things so therefore we must be something else, we are all of it. Becoming aware of this is the hard part but because it is the only One my awareness travels in the mind towards the concept of a name for an ultimate power which could be called God to some but it is whoever your beloved is.

Don't feel bad if you don't understand because no one can understand. We do not know because to truly experience it, you are beyond the mind.

 

This is totally off topic, but can I please quote this post (can you reply, 'Yes' or 'No') in another thread about eloquence?
The OP of that thread was looking for examples of people trying to be eloquent. While he misdefined the word (he actually meant magniloquent or grandiloquent), I think your post above is in the vein he's referring to.

 

Personally I believe in "universal conciousness". Whether thers one God or a million Gods its exactly the same thing too me.

I am you.

 

What he said

 

Yup, we are on this planet to help it spiritually attain, how can that happen when we fight and waste our lives destroying the planet. We forget that we live on the stomach of a living organism, belly lint in the navel of mother earth. And she is being cradled right now by our grandfather in a sense. If there is no "GOD" in you then you cannot be of any worth to the cause except to help others see clearer, which is divine love, which flows from the center of all the confusion and touches us as it touches every other thing in space all the time.

WIll ONE GOD Love WE me and you = we so that means there is no I only us. These words can mean something if we really mean them, if not we are just jacking off and that is killing babies.

 

And I heard a Godlike voice say to me "you are God but unlike so many of the chosen ones who came before you, you will help others understand how they are God as well"

 

there you go man, that's a nice quote there.