Interesting that you say that. They do seem to act as mild diuretic, and I've noticed a tall glass of water or two will usually help, if not completely eliminate, the headaches I get the day after I dose on a 2c-x. If a tall glass of water doesn't do the trick, I've found a normal dose of ibuprofen usually will.
i was thinking about that...and i was going to respond that i try to keep myself hydrated. but now that i think about it, it seems to make me urinate more often. do you guys think these symptoms could be indicative of long term negative effects, or damage to the body/brain?
Although Shulgin's compounds have a relatively short history of use in humans, I'm not at all scared of obtaining any permanent physical or mental damage from taking them. Some of them I think are safer than others, in terms of how they react with our body chemistry, but I think the chemicals we shouldn't be taking are fairly obvious, and he states it very clearly in PiHKAL and TiHKAL.
A good place to start is Shulgin's "magical half dozen" which include 2C-E, 2C-T-7, 2C-T-2, 2C-B, DOM, and mescaline. I think the "safest" chemicals are the ones with the most history of use in humans, the ones more commonly available. However there seems to be a certain level of toxicity with 5-meo-AMT, even though it is circulated. It is evident to me from his entry in TiHKAL that it isn't a chemical I'd want to try. Trip reports on this one re-enforce this thought. cheers to you as well
what about deaths from snorting -t7? is the potential there with all the 2cs (snorted or oral) that you could die? i mean as unlikely as it is. it's not as proven as LSD. maybe i worry too much for this business.
There are three deaths associated with 2ct7 that are listed on erowid. In them, the people either snorted or ingested too much 2ct7 and/or combined it with mdma. Very foolish and irresponsible to do with something like 2ct7, especially considering that 2ct7 is thought to have some mao inhibition. For anyone who would like to see the reports, here they are: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/2ct7_death1.shtml http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/2ct7_death2.shtml http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/2ct7_death3.shtml
I personally am not into snorting drugs. Your nasal cavity has a lot of delicate tissues which are easily damaged by putting chemicals up there. I think that what people look for when insufflating (fast onset, more intense visuals, decreased body load) can be achieved through rectal administration. The 2C's seem to burn whenever people put them in their nose, this says to me that they shouldn't go into the nose. Also, just because other drugs DON'T hurt when they're snorted, doesn't necessarily mean that it's a good practice. Cocaine is a local anesthetic, so it doesn't hurt when you snort it. The deaths that occurred with 2C-T-7 involved snorting a high dose (35mg), or mixing it with MDMA. Since 2C-T-7 has MAOI activity, it's likely that the MDMA would potentiate the effects of the 2C-T-7. BUUUUT this guy also insufflated around 30mg, which of course is very stupid. I think that as long as you're aware of what you are doing, meaning that you're informed about the chemicals you're ingesting as well as your dosages, and you refrain from insufflating, you should be safe. I don't think there's such thing as being too cautious when it comes to what you're putting in your body
that pubmed article i linked in another thread here it is again: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...nel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum it says that even 2c-c, -i, and -e cause monoamines to be released and slows down their re-uptake. i cited this paper in another post, but it's exciting to me. i read papers like this for school. i wish i could get the full text. and read what kind of doses they were giving to these rats, and how? it would make sense if 2c-t-7 also did so (maybe it doesn't). and along with being an maoi (which i don't think -c, -e, or proably -i, or -b are) that's more dangerous due to seratonin syndrome maybe. that's one thing i haven't read much about.
SWIM has found that 2C-I is by far the best recreational synthetic psychedelic. SWIM did not like LSD that much, while I have been told by SWIM that it is fun and can be intense, SWIM did not like the 8+ hours of tripping. There is a myriad of RC's out there and each one has its own distinct flavor, SWIM calls 2C-I "xtc light" in lower doses, however SWIM has found that in higher doses 2C-I created one of the most intense psychedelic experiences ever. Just remember, LSD was a research chemical at one time. as far as RC's go, get on the wagon! Why break the law when fed-ex can deliver? hehehe
there all different and special, as said before lsd was just as unknown back in the day as rc's are now. the thing i like bout rc's is i know what they are when i buy them unlike cid, u never know.
Yeah, taking acid is crazy. Ya never know how many to take to get a certain effect, whereas with RC's, you can weigh up EXACTLY how hard you want to trip!
I've never had a problem with doseage and acid. They often come in perforated little squares ya know? Ya take 1. If ya need more an hour later, you take another. Wanna get real high? Take a bunch. It's really easy. No scale required.
^^^agreed. and although you can accurately weigh most of the RCs, the effects can vary widely. a certain dose can affect different people in vastly different ways.
it varies from batch to batch i usually start out with 2 hits, one time i got stuff from my same guy took 2 and it was way to much. most likely wasnt cid prob a DOx.
