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Periods of "Social Diviance" Supression

If one looks through the great diviant "witch hunts" throughout history one begins to see a pattern. The Cultural Revolution in China, the McCarthy Trials, the British and American Witch Trials, The Spanish Inquistion, the actions of the KKK, and especially the Holocoust were all had to do with the A-Typical melodramatic good vs. evil, us vs. them, and the "we must save ourselves" mentality. For every good there was an equal and opposite evil.



Mavin Gaye says "What in the Hell is Goin' On?"

My question to those who are unaware of the current situation in Irag: Where the hell have you been for the past decade and a half? We are currently in a balls to the wall fight against terrorism. Saddam's regime has fallen and the people rejoiced as they repeativly colbered his stone likeness with sandles as they paraded it through the streets. Whilst this liberation happened, we saw what I like to call "Red Scare 2: The Rise of Toby Keith." Instead of the red being associated with communism, we can now associate it with the popular neck color of bible belt war mongers everywhere.



THIS is What the Hell is "Goin On"

Take a brief moment to recall the aforementioned trials, ethnic cleansings, and dramatic turning points in history. Well class, does anyone see how these events are parallel to the war in Iraq? Bush and the Bush administration, like so many war mongers before, have created deviance. In the KKK, the Holocaust, and the McCarthy Trials, among so many others events, were situations created by those who were looked up to and respected who felt they needed to kill to maintain an order, even at the cost of innocent people.

1.We went after Saddam and not Osama

2.We found no solid evidence of wmd (weapons of mass destruction)

3.China is more threatening to the United States than Iraq ever was and we're not doing shit about them

4.President Bush met in a private meeting with members of Saddam's family the DAY OF 9/12/2001. Our president, the man who is suppose to keep us out of politically threatening and life threatening shit has made us walk the plank into a bottomless vat of oil and left us with but a deflated life preserver. Bush's Deviants Bush has created his evil. He has trademarked Iraqi's like Marvel has trademarked Magneto. In a time where America wanted revenge, in a time when the American citizens were frightened, confused, and at a loss for words, George All Mighty stepped in and began to use the people in a war for oil and power. Bush and his administratin pursuaded the people that Saddam was who we needed to go after. Bush created his deviant and now we are neck deep in a mess of shit and we can't tell our asses from our elbows.



In Closing

Please, don't let the propaganda of our president and our government take control of you. We have been used and we NEED to be pissed off. We need to show that we are pissed. We NEED to show the world what we are. The world needs to hear the humming of voices that popular media and the government tried to supress. The world, especially Iraq, needs to know that American's arn't evil. Thats all they know. We've taught them that. Our government has taught generations of Iraqis that we are evil. Please, speak up.

 

Eloquently put but I can't understand how you perceive the threats from Saddam Hussein,or Bush's fears over terrorism/Iran etc. as not real; but see an imagined threat posed by China?.How does China threaten The United States Of America.Do you mean economically rather than millitarily?.Yes China is slowly transforming into an economic Super-Power but how is that more a threat to the west, than Iraq under Saddam Hussein?.

 

I wouldn't say China was more of a threat to the US... I would say that North Korea, Iran etc. were equal threats... especially North Korea... noone gets in there, let alone weapons inspectors, at least Iraq admitted inspectors eventually.

To be honest, I, as a member of the world as a whole, feel more a threat from the USA itself than to from any other country. Obviously not to me in the UK, but from the perspective of the Eart as a whole, I would be terrified of the USA.

 

well put. i was misinformed on China. But as for North Korea... they can be some scary dudes.

 

naw, china is the next big superpower. they're energy hungry and there's only so much oil to go around. it's going to be an ultimate death match.

 

That really didn't make much sense to me. :&

 

Hiya, Hippies!

Isn't everyone here a cop?

— Johnny

 

I'm not a cop, though I do have a PA State Cop who hunts here and gives me State Trooper caps. Actually, I'm a spy for Toby Keith.

 

I just know that toby keith and GB are in on something. some sort of plot to end the world.

 

i dont really see these threats and fears as not real or even insubstantial for that matter, however, did he (bush) or did he not creat his deviant?

 

Toby will be apprised.

 

I'm not a cop, but I am in the pocket of the new world order.

 

I'd think you would want more cops to read this one, not all of them are hippie bashing, gun toting egomaniacs who got picked on too much in highschool. Some are actually pretty cool ppl. if only you could have heard some of the comments made by the various State Troopers and local authoroties I've had the pleasure of knowing in regards to what they thought regarding the greater agendas of the nations leaders and on enforcing unjust laws which criminalize individuals for simply trying to exert their constitutional rights in their pursuit of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

I mean it's granted we've all met a Barney Fife here and there, but this is by no means a majority any longer. And the balance is actually really swaying in the favor of "We the people" slowly but surely as the Old regime retires and the youngbloods who've grown up and watched this dismal failure of the war on drugs destroy countless individuals, families and communities begin to take the lead.

 

the wars about oil its always been

 

One thing I have been wondering----in Vietnam they used to publish kill ratios---like they tried to achieve ratios of 3:1 or 4:1 meaning 3 VC killed to 1 civilian, or 4 VC's to 1 civilian. (I may have the ratios backwards---I have to dig out my book, Dr Spock on Vietnam, printed in 1965-ish, to get those right---and that is one of the most informative books on Vietnam, and if anyone thinks we were doing good there----they should read that). In truth our kill ratios were often more like 1:3 or 0:1 (1 VC for 3 civilians, or just plain civilians killed). SO why don't they publish and report these stats now? Obviously they don't want Americans sitting in front of their warm tv's to know that Iraqi civilians: women, children, shopkeepers, teachers, street vendors, whoever, are being killed too.

Of course----in the early 60's before North Vietnam got really involved in the South, the VC really were the civilian peasants who were against the oppressive regime under Diem that the US put into power. Then when Diem mucked it up, the US had him assassinated, and put our next people in power---that is what really gave the North the signal to come down and help their brothers and sisters whom had been begging for more help. Then of course there is our good friends in Cambodia---who weren't really wanting to play ball so we bombed them, and when the pro-US government (who thought we were their friends) toppled, we let the Khmer Rouge move in and we wiped the blood off our hands, saying, "Ooooops..."

By the way, I do think there are some good cops out there----at least I hope so----I haven't seen many in my local town though----my experience is that they are a bunch of gestapo agents based on how they treated my 12-year old son a year or so ago---over a very minor innocent infraction. It scared the death out of him, and I don't think he will ever trust a police officer. The rule in our house now is that he is not allowed to talk to a police officer unless I am present. It is like way different from when I was a kid----the police weren't that bad then. You get in trouble and they called your parents...

Mountain Valley Wolf

 

Yep. Nowadays, you set off a firework, get prosecuted under the Patriot Act for committing "acts of "terrorism"", you get drunk at fifteen, they haul your ass to juvie, smoke some herb and go to juvie and rehab (for herb, of all things. Wth?).

I know a few good cops. I also know a few cops who, if you get busted with herb on you, will take it if it's a small amount and let you go, and if you're not a belligerent asshole and being a prick about it with them (being busted) split a larger amount in half or take a quarter of it and let you go. I know two guys who got caught walking down the street with a blunt, cop took it and let them go. One of the kids knew the cop. I told him though, "That was just plain brainless, my friend." He said "Yeah, I was fifteen. What the hell did I know?" Same friend got stopped and got off with a warning a couple weeks ago for going three miles per hour over the speed limit...
How much bullshit is that?

Like I said... I know a few good cops... But only a few... The rest are hardasses, or wifebeaters, or corrupt in ways that a younger person can't use to get out of some stupid shit that shouldn't even be an issue... Sad, really...

 

This is a really old thread it looks like, so I hate to even get into this, but I feel the need to. Instead of everyone getting down on the good ole USA, and getting down on our President so much, take a good look at your elected legislative officials, there are the people we need to be paying close attention to. Next time everyone has a chance, check out your respective congressmen and senators. Look into how they've been voting on issues that matter most to you. I'm no Bush fan, but I will say this, Congress has allowed a lot of the crap, including the Patriot Act...

Your vote counts, call or write your Reps. Most of all though, educate yourself on these people by researching their past track records.

Peace!

 

I was arguing a point early this week to a friend who spoke of the failures of Bush to the people who elected him. He said that He deserves to be pretty much punished for is underachievement and misguidance. I immediately said were it not for the willing majority nothing like that could happen, and to place all the punishment upon him, the leader, is just buying into the same cycles that dominate..life feeds on life. I am wrong for saying this but the american people must feel guilt, not anger at the situation they have brought upon themselves. A depression of society is a lot like the depression of an individual, past experiences from rebelling against its parent of britian, machoism with russia and then bully tactics to release its pent up rage. Maybe if america went and lost its virginity to an actual virgin it could relax a bit...instead its been forcing its way into the fiesty nations or buying out the slutty ones

 

This is a possible reason why so much money is spent on oppressed people you will never meet, so they can take YOUR place on a battlefield someday.

The owners of this country know that just like any informed citizen of the United States knows (However few and far between they are)
Al- Qeada and MANY other terrorists groups are enabled and embedded all through out the middle east.

This is why so much "money" is spent trying to "help" poor people in backwards countries.

You can't go to "war" against terror.

In the next 40 years religious extremism will possibly be gone from the middle east(If the U.S don't cut out and let fanatical tyrants continue to rule there) and in its place will be something just as corrosive to free thought, American commercialism.(But at least people won't be willing to die for Mcdonalds)

And if China hasn't declared formal war on the United States by then (Probably already would have) the United States will declare war on China.

And the U.S can use it's brand new "friends" they made in the middle east to do the brunt of the fighting.

And the U.S will give them lots of shiny new weapons to "protect there country with" or more realistically kill who we need them to kill after we convince them war with the enemies of "freedom" would be in there best interest.

If we "won" Vietnam through commercialism in this way in the 1970's it would be well armed Vietnamese kids doing to grunt work of fighting in the middle east today, and your average American would not care in the least. It's not until there relatives are sent to die in a war that "the cost of human life becomes to much".

As long as there is human greed and superstition there will be war.

If people are going to kill and die for wars that are staged on semi-false pretenses (as they almost ALWAYS are) at least try to look on the side of the dog shit the sun is shining on.

Its not like anyone really has a say in who the owners of nations decide to kill for profit.