why do I need to do this?

so im going today for a firearms safety course so that I can get my class A license to carry and conceal

however there is something innately wrong with the process

Thomas Jefferson:
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

with that being said, why do I need to go through the government, and let them know I have a weapon to take them (the government) down one day if need be? why do they need to put me in a book somewhere informing joe blow the politician that I am potentially a threat.

The idea of asking the government for permission to carry a weapon is completely ludicrous because the constitution gives me the right to be armed, not the government to be aware that I can defend myself against there tyrannical acts.

 

I guess you dont want a government job..
I like having a act 235..
You need a license to fly a plane too...
Woo your not very bright are you?

no, it dont its been amended.. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1997/ukpga_19970005_en_1

 

I like the idea of having to go through a course. Would you want any nut job out of jail to just be able to pick up a gun at a convenience store and carry it on him at all times? I know i wouldn't

 

this is what we get for wanting the gov't to be involved...you know, with schools, the roads and everything else they do and end up fucking up

 

Amendment X:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Move to West Virginia.

 

while I understand the argument made about wack jobs should not be able to get guns the sad truth is ANYBODY can get a gun. Making law abiding citizens jump through hoops for a legal right that in the constitution has no restrictions is crazy to me because mr criminal man doesn't care about permits and laws.

The amendment to the constitution is in part to protect yourself from the government, so if the government is watching me, a lawful person who went through the hassle to aquire my weapons permit, and doesnt know anything about the real threat of those wackos who bought an AK for 300 bucks in the hood, that is the person you need to be watching, and that person does not have the burden of being watched, or has to pay out the ass and jump through hoops

To defend yourself against the government is the biggest thing though for me, not that I am ready to take on that task, but in the end of days when those in power are trying to hold tight to their losing influence and they come barging my door in, I do not want them to know that I will be ready to show them I believe in the constitution.

when it all falls down, I bet they will try to eliminate those who can defend themselves first.

 

Not EVERYONE can get a gun...i.e. if you have a mental health or arrest record...you are less likely to ever obtain a license to carry

 

And that's why most of HF will never get a CCP...

 

when I said this I dont actually mean through legal means, while it is true, if you have a criminal record, are a felon, or have mental disorders you wont get a permit, however, it wont stop criminals from just dropping some bills on a fire arm.

 

I really really really don't see the problem.

You seem to be bitching for nothing.

 

United Kingdom

 

you need to do that for the same reason u need a gun... fear. theirs and yours.

 

it just bothers me that the criminals have the freedom to be annonomous with their weapons of choice but those who follow the law pay fines, have to take several courses, and are viewed suspiciously.

If there is ever an internal threat, the local authorities know who the resistance is, and that is bad.

 

You can just buy a hot gun and be totally anonymous.

All in all... the freedom of anonymity costs criminals their freedom when they get caught. Simply having the gun at their possession can fuck them up.

While you'll be left alone if you get stopped. Hell, you might even get pulled over less if you have one of them concealed carry stickers on your car.

 

yeh I see both sides, its just a tricky one as an American, I mean I was raised knowing that the amendment to carry weapons is to protect yourself from others and your government, so I see a conflict with even telling the local authorities (government) that I have it. But I would be foolish to say that a saftey course isnt needed, I just wish the authorities didn't know unless I had to tell them for some reason (get pulled over, find a gun, show a permit)

all in all I think this is a thing that cannot ever be completely resolved, but it should be fun at the range today. Ive never been.

 

Well, the government is also there to protect you, believe it or not, and it's better off knowing who owns a gun or who doesn't. Hell, even if the IRS ever have to go to your house, or any organization... they'll know that you're packing heat and won't hassle you too much without backup. They have to protect their own back. Repo-man gets shot at a lot.

In other news, shooting ranger are rather dull in my opinion since shooting a gun is way too easy and not really that exciting.

 

this is very true, but again there is a contradiction, while I do not want criminals to have weapons, as americans its ones right, so to punish someone for doing something that is allowed technically seems.. oppressive? maybe that isnt the right word

 

this is a facetious argument.

 

No one is oppressing you, and no one is punishing you.

You have more personal freedom than 95+% of the world as it is, as an American.

 

basically the same law..
be suprised how much the state I live in is like UK. PENN. Is a commonwealth..