question for catholics

why do u believe in evolution?lol your the only religious church that let its ppl believe in that! i understand free will but it doesnt make sense that certain catholic believe in that? like my friend and brother believe in evo but then wouldnt that throw out adam and eve belief that they study at church?

also saints? what the hell! THERE IDOLS! stop acting like your not carrying or at least pray to them at home or at church. it says it in the bible not to worship saints or idols? but u have about 10 thousand of them btw YOU chose them! theres NONE ...ZERO saints in the bible but you pray to them? also you dnt know if that person did stupid thing in there youth? 17 18 19yrs old that could offended the church? i understand that later they repented and are apart of the church but its HUMAN chosen not YOUR GOD chosen like john, paul, judas etc... to be preachers of his word.

 

Well this question isn't nessecarily for Catholics, but since I am one I will answer anyways. I believe (I am sure there are Catholics that don't) in evolution because the science points towards it. The Bible is a book about God. It is written by men who, although they may have known plenty about God, knew little about science. I guess the fundamental difference between believing in evolution or not and bweing a Christian is that we look at the Bible differently. The Bible was not dictated to these guys, it is not the (capital "W") Word of God. That is Jesus, the full revelation of God to humanity.

Also it is important to understand that Catholics are also creationists whilst believing in evolution. "How is that possible?", you might ask. Well the Church teaches that God created the universe, God created men and everything else, but natural life on this planet was through evolution. Now you have some splinters again. some will argue that God guided evolution to arrive at humanity, others will argue that humanity came out of the natural process laied down by God at in the initial instance of creation.

Adam and Eve (Adam literally means "man" in the Hebrew) are symbolic of humanity as a whole, just as Christ can be used a symbol of all of the poeple of the faith (The Body of Christ = The Church). In that case, the stories of Adam and Eve are explanations and revelations of humanity's relationship to God and to eachother (one flesh in marriage), through metaphor and symbolism.

BTW- The official stance of the Catholic Church is vague stating that faith and scientific findings on human evolution are not in conflict. God is still nessecary for our spiritual element of existence. It also isn't the only Church as you claim. The Church of England also has this stance and I am sure there are other protestant churches that follow this too. The Catholic Church is just an easy one to single out because it has a strict heirarchy unlike protestant churches where there is a greater diversity even within demoniation (How many different types of Baptist churches are there?)

 

A few misconceptions in here. Yes we worship saints, yes we pray to saints, but this only sounds bad because of the limitations of modern English. Worship can have many meanings. I will get some information from this website: http://www.catholic.com/library/Saint_Worship.asp

Latria is the worship (or adoration) to God alone. The church is strict that latria is for God alone. Dulia is more properly stated as honouring or venerating. There is another catergory too for the Holy Virgin (hyperdulia) because she is above the other saints by playing a role in humanity's salvation by willingly carrying the Saviour as her child.

The Chruch also does not "choose" saints, but merely recognizes them.

http://www.catholic.org/saints/faq.php "Canonization does not "make" a person a saint; it recognizes what God has already done.

Though canonization is infallible and irrevocable, it takes a long time and a lot of effort. So while every person who is canonized is a saint, not every holy person has been canonized. You have probably known many "saints" in your life, and you are called by God to be one yourself."

There is also misconceptions with the word "pray". "Pray" means to ask. Haven't you ever heard someone say in some Masterpiece Theatre program "I pray you, don't go" or something like that. When we pray to saints, we ask them to pray to god for us. It isn't that their prayers are "better" than ours or anything, but wouldn't you ask your friend to pray for you too? Also, we can do this because the saints are "alive" in heaven.

Canonization is an infallible declaration, meaning that the Pope says it under the revelation and guidence of the Holy Spirit meaning that it cannot be undone and God guided the desicion to canonize or not. A good book I can suggest is "Stalking the Holy" about the modern canonization process. Deep investigation into the life of the candidate is undertaken to make sure no unscrupulous things have taken place. Recognized mracles are also nessecary for canonization, and the Church is a pretty big skeptic when it comes to this stuff because She does not want to make a mistake.

The last website I posted also has some good information about when the church started worshiping saints. As a final thought, I will post a prayer to a saint just so you can see what it looks like:

Dear Saint, well known for your gentleness, you were a most faithful disciple of Saint Paul, and like him traveled much to bring the Good News to all people. The Letters Paul wrote to you reveal your zeal and inspire us with confidence in you. You too were cast into prison and you too gave your life for Christ. So with confidence we dare to ask, please obtain relief for {name of sufferer}, if it be God's will. ​

 

thank you for the site but where kings in heaven not mentioned saints?!

as for the person pray for me to stay in the theater i think his pray to god that i stay for the performance and not the saint.
also you do need your friends to help you pray but saints are dead plain and simple they have ears but dnt listen , they have mouth but dnt speak.........

 

another video that i find crystal clear in its the catholic church
the harlot of revelations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toBOML5W4uQ&feature=related

 

this is funny the pope accepts evo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz48uoJfU20

 

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

please explain to me the crave image part thats in the commandments that in the bible?

 

a question for you, now im not going to address your question directly as i think it has already been addressed thoroughly, but what do you have to gain by asking these questions? please excuse me if i offend but you seem to have made up your mind on the matter before posing the question which leads me to believe that you do not in fact really care what we say and only pose it in order to propagate bad feelings, ask yourself did the Lord not say love thy neighbor as thy self?
just some thoughts i honestly dont mean any offense
God bless

 

lol clock wise im just wondering who there blind to this? DECEPTION.

am not offend in no way btw.

by the to your last sentense " love thy nieghbor as thy self"
so im being evil in bring in showing truth ??
note i know your not calling me evil.

 

i could go all into the whole philosophical argument on what truth is but that would be point less haha

i think its best said that we know we dont NEED their prayers and i honestly do not pray often to saints and i dont look at it as worshiping them more as using them as role models and looking up to them as a good example, as Catholics( captal C being the roman catholic faith) we do not in any way believe they have any power not given by God, my understanding of sainthood is only aknowledging that as far as we on earth can see there is no reason these men and women would not gain entrance to the kingdom of God, everyone is called to be a saint canonized saints are only those who we believe without a doubt have made it into heaven
yes you could argue that its not our place to judge that but i dont see any real harm in it, we still only WORSHIP God, honestly its more of a comforting thing to ask others to pray with you
and if you will, aren't we taught that we have eternal life if we live a holy life? when it was said that the saints hear us its just implying that as they (to our belief) have entered the kingdom of God and therefore are not in fact dead!
and yeah man i definitely wasnt calling you evil, more just reinforceing that no matter what your "title" or "denomination" we are all called to the catholic (lower case c, latin for universal, basically just all christians) church we are called to accept our neighbors and love them as we love ourselves we are all human and as far as i can tell thats not about to change haha
glad i didnt offend
God bless!

 

I'm not a Catholic, but I do know that other Christians besides Catholics believe in evolution. Most of the progressive "Mainline" Protestant churches, like Episcopalians, United Methodists, etc., have no problem with Darwin, nor do Greek Orthodox. None of these groups are biblical literalist, and early Church fathers like Saint Augustine and Origen, were particularly outspoken about the absurdity of taking the creation story of Genesis literally. They thought believers who did so would give Christians a bad reputation for being stupid rubes.

As for "graven images', taken in context the prohibition against them seems to emphasize "worship and "strange gods". Catholics don't believe the saints are gods, and don't think they are worshipping them. The Bible has numerous instances of figures of animals--carved lions and bulls supporting the base of the temple, and Moses' brazen serpent with healing powers for snake bite, as well as statues of the cherubim and human- headed seraphim--that were accepted by the Hebrews without controversy. Orthodox Christians, likewise, use icons, but do not believe they are "worshipping" these images as gods.

 

I don't know where you live, or what is your native language (this is not an insult), but it appears you misunderstood my post. I meant that if you read some books that take place a ways in the past, the verbs "pray" and "ask" are used interchangeably because they means the same thing.

Second, didn't our Lord Christ Jesus say that our God is the God of the Living? When we die do we not have eternal life? Didn't Moses and Elijah appear--during Christ's Theophany (Transiguration) on the mountain--not dead but alive? (Mark 12:26-27
But concerning the dead, that they rise, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the burning bush passage, how God spoke to him, saying, "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly mistaken." )

Yeah, Okie's post pretty much sums up my answer to this. The Hebrews carried around the very Law against "graven images" in a golden Ark that was fashioned in the design of cherubim.

It should be noted too that Byzantine Christians are only supposed to make 2D icons. 3D images are considered incorrect for use in their Rite.

Yeah, I may harbour some of the same feelings as you here, but I think that speaking softly in these kinds of threads is best that keeping silent. Eve if we don't change anyone's mind, we can still plant the seed of understanding. He doesn't have to agree, but he coul try to understand. Maybe not tomorrow, but maybe sometime.

 

here anther one? WHY THE HELL do you have GAY priest? explain that one?...gay priest?? isnt that blasphemy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owumKXf3-BI

ukraine-CDN please reply

 

He is Anglican (or more properly Episcopalian because it is American), not Catholic. Oprah is a whole other bag of worms.


You might find this interesting.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2115255/posts

I have read some studies that put the percentage of gay priests already ordained at 10 to 50% roughly. If they are gay, they aren't saying so in public.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_rcc.htm

You got anymore?

Cheers my brother!

 

yes

 

I was raised a Christian.
That stopped when I read the bible.
But yes, as a former catholic, I can say that people can't beleive in evolution if they accept God's "word".
And yes, saints and papal infallability are a mystery to us all.
Catholicism ssurvives because it is so vague and no-one really gets it.
It's how they get away with being homophobic and racist unlike other churches.

 

there a very traditional wise religion, i truly hope ukraine to b unblinded by this traditional church, i know i came off attacking but i just want him to question certain things, i dnt hate catholics but Roman church yes due to what they commit. like anyone can commit mistakes right? but would you think that the molesting priest would know better? and its not like it in one country i believe england had its share and it just wasnt in one city here in the USA but across the country. that just shows how sexual they were to take a child.

btw gedio have you heard of wilson palacios? he plays for wigan moved to tottenham like two days ago, and im wondering what you thought of him?

 

where does purgatory is stated in the bible?

 

That depends on what you mean by the Bible?

2 Maccabees 12:43-46 has been used in defense of the doctrine of purgatory as well as prayer for the dead.

Closer to home, Matthew 12:32 indicaes that there will be another sort of judgement or forgiveness in the next life. 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 was used to justify a purgatorial fire.

It is also arguable that Jewish traditions had a belief in a purgatory like purification. http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=115&letter=G

Show me where Trinity, incarnation, and the rapture are found and then we shall discuss some more.

 

Maccabees is getting off topic:
28: But when Judas and his company had called upon Almighty God, who with his power breaketh the strength of his enemies, they won the city, and slew twenty and five thousand of them that were within,
29: From thence they departed to Scythopolis, which lieth six hundred furlongs from Jerusalem,
30: But when the Jews that dwelt there had testified that the Scythopolitans dealt lovingly with them, and entreated them kindly in the time of their adversity;
31: They gave them thanks, desiring them to be friendly still unto them: and so they came to Jerusalem, the feast of the weeks approaching.
32: And after the feast, called Pentecost, they went forth against Gorgias the governor of Idumea,
33: Who came out with three thousand men of foot and four hundred horsemen.
34: And it happened that in their fighting together a few of the Jews were slain.



doesnt seem like a prayer in Maccabees?

now Matthews 12:32:
"32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come."

this is talking about the HOLY SPIRIT??????

therefore JEHOVAH - JESUS- HOLY SPIRIT. answered your own question.

Incarnation.......JOHN 1:14 - 16.

the rapture is not in the bible
know that the word "rapture" dose not exist in the bible. Rapture is a modern word for when JESUS comes to pick up HIS faithful servants before the 7 year tribulation period.