Protest against Israeli invasion into Gaza. Saturday 10th January

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  1. PinkMoon

    PinkMoon Senior Member

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    Emergency Protest against ground invasion by Israeli army into Gaza Saturday 4th January, 2pm, Israeli Embassy, High Street Kensingtion, London (Nearest Tube: High Street Kensington)

    • Daily protests 5 - 9 January, 5.30pm-7.00pm
    Israeli Embassy, High St, Kensington, London

    • National Demonstration: Saturday 10 January
    March from Hyde Park to Israeli Embassy
    Assemble 12:30 at Hyde Park
    Stop Israel's crime against humanity

    Join the national demonstration: Stop the War is asking all its local groups outside of London to book coaches or arrange other transport to help make this the biggest demonstration yet seen in this country in the cause of Palestinian freedom. Email details to office@stopwar.org.uk

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    500 dead. Thousands injured. United States blocks UN call for carnage to stop.

    This ground attack is intended to turn Gaza into Israeli killing fields. Within hours of troops entering Gaza, hospitals reported that 23 people had been killed and that twenty of them were civilians.

    Demonstrations across the world call for an immediate stop to the carnage. Every country in the world bar one wants the killing and destruction to stop now. But just as it did in the Lebanon War in 2006, The United States has given the green light to Israel to intensify its barbarism.

    The US is blocking all UN diplomacy for an immediate ceasefire with the tacit compliance of the British government, which calls for an immediate ceasefire while at the same time endorsing America's refusal to allow any discussion in the United Nations to achieve this end.

    When Israel broke the six month ceasefire on November 4, it was the trigger for this long planned invasion, deliberately timed for the last few weeks of George Bush's presidency and a few weeks before Israeli elections, in which all the leading politicians are competing as to how many Palestinians they can kill.

    Stop the War, Palestine Solidarity Campaign, British Muslim Initiative, Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament are organising continual protests in the next week, culminating in a national demonstration marching to the Israeli Embassy in London on Saturday 10 January.

    We urge all of our supporters to do all keep informed about our activities via out website and by subscribing to our regular newsletters. Everyone who is shocked and outraged by Israel's barbarity, and the prospect of hundreds more Palestinian civilians being killed by the fourth most powerful military in the world, should commit themselves to helping mobilise for the protests in the coming week and for making the national demonstration on Saturday 10 January the biggest yet seen in this country for the freedom of Palestine
     
  2. Bonsai Ent

    Bonsai Ent Member

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    I might be up there, I'll see if I can egg some friends into it too.
     
  3. The manticore

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    yeah me to im gonna go to the local stop the war meeting tommorow and if they havent already planned a coach i'll make them do it!
     
  4. fountains of nay

    fountains of nay Planet Nayhem!

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    I am all for stopping this current conflict and am worried for the innocents who have become involved. Israel do need to realise that Palestine no longer exists and therefore the Palestinians need somewhere to live and exist and be at peace.
    However, let's not join the witchhunt and get our pitchforks out hey... you do remember the Palestinians are responsible for blowing up many an innocent Israeli too, yes?
    This is not a one-sided war... but please stop the Israeli bombings before we have a major humanitarian crisis.

    and just remember folks... religion kills.
     
  5. fountains of nay

    fountains of nay Planet Nayhem!

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    Also, start sending comments to the BBC to try to stop them from reporting a one-sided story from the Israeli perspective... it is unfair and they are supposed to be an objective provider of news.
     
  6. Bonsai Ent

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    True, being against Israel's current political policy doesn't mean I'm pro-hamas.

    That said, the innocent casualties are stacked a great deal more heavily on the side of the Palestinian civilians.

    A lot of debate about Israel's current actions gets sidetracked by debate about hamas, (as though it were possible for us to go and protest outside a Palestinian Embassy, Israel would never allow such a thing to exist!).

    This for me is less about the wider conflict, and more about the immediate civilian massacre taking place
     
  7. Bonsai Ent

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    I'm a definite for saturday now, and will be bringing 3 others along. Swoosh
     
  8. fountains of nay

    fountains of nay Planet Nayhem!

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    Definitely need to stop the current situation without a doubt, but also to resolve the political/religious issues in order for peace or at least civilian safety to be truly sought.
     
  9. Bonsai Ent

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    Aye, I truly wish I had answers for that one.
     
  10. dapablo

    dapablo redefining

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    Load of jingoistic nonsense if not blatant misinformation, talk about trying to fit reality into a narrow and singleminded perspective.

    C'mon the first sentence requires the use of irrelevent and emotive terms like "killing fields", that should set the alarm bells ringing for the rest of the article to be hyped nonsense, how can you believe a word of what is said after that.
     
  11. Bonsai Ent

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    because even pro-Israeli sources are reporting the massive level of civilian casualties?
     
  12. lithium

    lithium frogboy

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    I can't make it but wish I could. Have a good one those who are going...
     
  13. j700

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    I am not trolling here just asking:
    Why would u protest against israel on behalf of hamas?

    Maybe I can enlighten u here because back in 2008 a ceasefire was agreed which the hamas political leaders signed up to and so did israel.
    Israel during the whole 6 months of the ceasefire did not launch one attack, not one against palestine or anyone for that matter.
    During that time hamas launched somewhere around 3000 rockets into israel

    The israeli position was this:
    We will negotiate with hamas to get their military wing to stop firing at israel - the hamas polititians said they would get it stopped but couldnt.
    Israel said well we will wait till the ceasefire ends and then attack but meantime it is hoped the political wing can take contol of the military wing within hamas
    Hamas cannot control its military wing so therefore WHEN the ceasefire ended (shortly after christmas) the israelis attacked.

    The reason being, what is the point of talking to politicians if they cannot control their military? best talk to the military since the aim is to get the rockets stopped and if the hamas military wont talk then kill them.
    simple - one way or another israel must feel secure - Israel would not have attacked if hamas had adhered to the ceasefire

    so my question is: what there is wrong?
    hamas wanted a fight hamas got a fight !

    you would be better off protesting against hamas, as they are the true aggressor
    Bullshit
    Absolute bullshit - Israel merely responded to the fact that by that time 4000 rockets had been fired at israel during the ceasefire
    they saw an opportunity to stop an attack and took it - and according to the agreed ceasefire rules that was lawful

    My personal feeling is that I dont actually care what israel does to bust hamas because hamas is the trouble maker

    let hamas say what it wants as a peace agreement and stick to it, if they cant then kill em its that simple
     
  14. lithium

    lithium frogboy

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    Welcome back ronald mcdonald:troll:


    The protest is not in support of hamas but against the killing of lots of innocent people. Anyone who seems to think this is in support of terrorist actions is to be frank a bit of twat. Anyone who thinks that it's ok to kill lots of innocent people because of the actions of a few is an even bigger twat

    I feel just as strongly about the innocent people killed by hamas' actions but the actions of the Israelis here outweigh the actions of hamas by a very large factor indeed and are causing a significant humanitarian crisis. The UN high commissioner on human rights has today warned Israel that their actions bear all the hallmarks of war crimes
     
  15. jonny2mad

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    if you were isreali how would you deal with hamas ? hamas by the way want to reintroduce a form of apartied called dhimmitude where non muslims would be secondclass citizens .
    you have both sides that believe for religious reasons they have to conquer or hold onto the same piece of land .

    if someone was firing missiles at you and you knew you had no real chance of peace how would you deal with things .

    and I know you think firebombing german citys was a war crime but most people in this country supported that after the blitz.

    Im not sure there is much of a answer to this , you could have this war go on for centurys at this low level without having a clear winner.

    it would be interesting to imagine the relative deaths in a long war where people take notice of human rights and a short war where one sides wins and near exterminates the other or exterminates the other and you get rid of the ability for one side to continue the conflict.

    At the end of world war two we won and set to re-educate the germans to make them stop believing in nazism , was that a war crime trying to impose how you think on other people.

    would it be a war crime if the muslims or jews won and tried to re-educate the other side maybe changed their religion by force .
    what would we have done if the germans didnt respond to re-education and kept rearming and firing missles at us , are our morals a symptom of the fact we are not in that situation

    hope the people going to the march have a nice time take care
     
  16. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

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    actually thinking about it you should go to this march

    personally Id go with a sign saying down with both sides , likely most signs will be supporting one side in the conflict
     
  17. fountains of nay

    fountains of nay Planet Nayhem!

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    Exactly! This is probably the main point I was aiming at in my original post here. I am all for stopping the violence, but I will not side with either government. They've both done some awful things.
     
  18. lithium

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    Yes I think that's the point. I see it as a demonstration against war, against the killing of innocents. To take sides and suggest that one side is justified in taking innocent lives and the other isn't is to miss the point in a somewhat spectacular fashion. Few people protesting Israel's actions here will really believe such a thing. The numbers involved and the scale of the catastrophe caused by Israel will tend to dwarf the actions of hamas but that doesn't mean we are pro hamas.

    Sure there will be some pro-hamas supporters on a march like this but I see it as an anti-war statement.
     
  19. j700

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    Hmmmm so where were you when israel had taken hits from 2000 rockets without retaliating once during the ceasefire. Why werent people protesting to get the Hamas idiots to stop their aggression before israel attacked.

    What amazes me is that people seem to play a numbers game where if the strongest army attacks as a form of defence people make out they are the aggressor. if israel kill 500 for every israeli you are up in arms - but this is war! A war against an agressor. Infact Hamas is always the agressor because its whole raison d'etre
    is to oppose israel. That is its only policy. Kinda makes me think that for all their supposed doctorates and degrees the hamas leadership are rank stupid and are themselves the war criminals.
    Why arent the courts seeking to prosecute hamas war criminals?
     
  20. j700

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    Well done - well thought out
     

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