i found this to be very sad

Don't like abortion? Don't get one. DUH.

 

haha no, it aint me, i wish....its michael franti



sorry if i sounded racist, im not, but im just saying, overpopulation is a major problem that could be curbed if many women had access to safe and legal abortions. not to mention there would be less people in poverty, since they only have to provide for themselves, and not a kid.

 

well they wanna tell everyone how to live - impose the morals they don't follow upon others. just like the goddamn puritans.

 

~ LOL. sorry , but I'm having a bit of an assholish moment and realized had this been a thread posted in the political forum, it wouldn't have met the criteria of the omnipotent mod as a valid thread and would have been deleted.
As far as the pic, yeah abortion can be a very sad thing but not having any choice is sadder to me. Those that live in glass houses and all....~

 

That was such an ignorant comment... "waves his dick around"? As if sex is a bad thing when it's not to procreate? As if mens' penises are the ultimate evil and to empower ourselves, we have to 'just say no'? People are going to have sex <period>.

That comment was just really low. I hope you practice better Right Speech in the future. After all, since you've been "Buddhist for 20 years", it's part of your eightfold path.

 

Im sorry to insult you but thats the most unintellagent thing Ive heard all day. thats like saying "Hey if you dont agree with the war in iraq, dont go to iraq. who cares if innocent people are dying, its not like im over there."

 

sorry to insult you, but I don't take stock in dumbass fourteen-year-old boys.

 

Sex will happen, and abstinence will not prevent anything. If abstinence morals, which is what you seem to want to be upon us (and already are starting under the current admin), are completely pushed onto the American people, pregnancies and std's will rise like nevre before. My county is a perfect example; 'tis very Christian, and many stores are starting to refuse to sell condoms (following the school's guidelines). Monroe county, although it holds no major metropolitan areas, has more teen pregnancies per month than any other Wisconsin county. My source is some health website that I've seem to have not bookmarked.

 

This is why I hate analogies. NOthing is that black and white. THEY'RE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS WHICH NEED DIFFERENT MEASURES.

 

To state my position first: I believe that a woman should have the right to choose to have an abortion if she wants. But I also believe that EACH AND EVERY ABORTION CLINIC SHOULD PROVIDE:
1) COMPREHENSIVE counseling on the trauma inflicted on the woman's body during and after an abortion.
2) EQUALLY COMPREHENSIVE counseling for the emotional trauma that an abortion causes.
3) COMPREHENSIVE counseling on the resources available for women who want to place their children for adoption.
4) MANDATORY waiting periods of 7-14 days.(if the life of the pregnant woman is not endangered)
5) MANDATORY ultrasound imaging, so that people can see what it is that is being destroyed.
Just because a woman finds herself with a pregnancy SHE doesn't want doesn't mean that her child isn't wanted by someone. (And yes, I understand that this IS different for minority women - especially black women.)
I am an adoptee, and whoever said that people who've never met their parents are fucked up needs to get a grip. Those people who say that they are "fucked up" because they are adopted might have problems, but those things can be overcome - it's called therapy, it's called accepting the life you've been given and doing something positive with it... being a "fucked up" person and using the excuse that it's because you were adopted (and whatever other excuses people use for being "fucked up") is a cop-out. It's denying responsibility for yourself and blaming it on someone else. It's not impossible to overcome. No one's life is perfect, everyone has things in their life that they could use as a reason to be "fucked up" that doesn't make it okay to take advantage of as a way of life.
I know four women who have had abortions (probably more- but four who have told me that they had abortions). Two of those women had abortions because of medical issues, and the other two had them because they didn't want the child or because their parents didn't want their young daughter to have a child. Each and every one of these women has had serious psychological trauma. If they now had the choice each of them has told me they'd not have an abortion again. They said it was awful, heart breaking and overwhelming to know what they'd done. Not to mention the physical trauma they experienced. The healing process after an abortion is wretched on a woman's body.
As well, I've met many women who've given children up for adoption and they also experience psychological trauma. Not one of them (including my own biological mother) has ever said that they wished they'd had an abortion. Yes, they carried a child for nine months, and I'm sure it was "inconvenient" for them and yes they endured healing after child-birth --- but you know what? Women's bodies are made to carry and birth babies, it's been happening with and without complications from the dawn of mankind and we're still here in all of our homo sapien glory - As women we're created to have children.
We'll never, as a world population, agree on when "life" begins...so to argue for or against abortion from that standpoint is moot. The fact is that abortion exists, and it will be misused by some people for a variety of reasons. Just like prohibition and our wildly unsuccessful "war on drugs", writing legislation against it will not cure the "problem".
It's corny and cliche, I'm sure, but valuing the consequences of our actions is the best way to reduce the incredibly damaging overuse of abortions as a means of ending unwanted pregnancies. The other is to take advantage of public programs that are available to help prevent unwanted pregnancies - I know for a fact that you can go to a health department have a pap-smear and get an entire year's worth of birth control pills as well as all the condoms you could possibly need (with the invitation to come get more if you need them) for NO COST. Why don't women take advantage of this? Why don't men go in and ask for condoms? Condoms are also largely available for free at gay bars, hiv testing centers and a variety of other places. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT IS AVAILABLE to keep yourself from getting into the predicament to begin with. And if you do find yourself with an unwanted pregnancy (male & female) EDUCATE YOURSELF on what your choices are AS WELL AS the consequences of those choices.
For all the direction to "think for ourselves" I've not heard anyone mention educating yourself on the consequences of the choices, only that if you have sex you should know that a pregnancy could result. You'd have to be pretty dim to not realize that, yeah?

As I stated at the beginning of this post - I believe that abortion should be a choice, but it should be accompanied by better education about the consequences of that choice. We're big on knowing what our choices are and very small when it comes to thinking about the consequences of our actions. Perhaps that's human nature, but I feel personally that it has more to do with our instant gratification society.

So -- that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
G.

 

I agree that abortion clinics should have lessons and things like that, but I also think that they should not be biased, and that they should include the benefits too.

 

Identity ---

The only benefit I can see from an abortion is that the life of an endangered mother can be spared; and the women I've known who were in that position told me that they'd not do it again.

I'm just curious as to what you might call a "benefit" from having an abortion? It's certainly an option, and as I said, an option that I feel women should have the choice to make safely and legally.

G.

 

It has different benefits for people with different beliefs. It has the relief of not having to care for a child both physically and psychologically for 18 years, it has less stress, and it has less danger on the body. If the mother smokes or has a drinking probem, it also spares the child from having disabilities or FAS.

 

Hey I could never do it myself and have three children of my own..but to all those on here who are against it, I say, how many children have you adopted this year?? How many of you have ever been in the foster system, or been an unwanted child?? there are already too many people in this world, please don't deny women the right to abortion. Thank you

 

there are too many people in the world- now blackie, please dont take this as a personal attack, but what APAININYABRAIN said is true, what she didnt say was that she wanted to know your resume on dealing with people, raising people.--

By the way, you sound like all this was dumped on you, did you have the choice to raise the child whose parents were too lazy? Did you adopt this child, even if you didnt you did decide to take care of it didnt you? I can understand why you take care of your brother, but not just because he is your brother, which also lets me see that you take care of kids because you yourself have experienced what they are going through. But dont be so god damned militant. a person can come to the decision to think that there are too many people in the world- some may do something about it, there are genocides happening because of it- but i dont think you have to be worried about being aborted, though you did lash out at that free speaking PAIN like you were some kinda of baby.

So let us all mind our tongues, and not look for the one sentence to blow up on every time some one posts.

 

shit i forgot to congratulate you on the wonderful steps you take to ensure a semblence of stability to these kids who desperately need to have some one. i thnk the world owes you a round of appluase and all people doing similar magnificent things