What do you think about Obama

He's been in office for a couple of days and he is already trying to destroy America. What do you think.

He's a moron and he's not qualified to be a security guard at Publix Grocery.

 

He's a globalist puppet just like all the others, except he is probably even more dangerous because of his cult followers. Obama's administation will be Bush's administration on steroids. Those who decried "Bush's" policies will gladly accept the same policies put forward by the Messiah.

 

Pretty bold statement. Care to back it up with some facts and reasoning?

Moron? Let's see... BA in political science from Columbia. JD (juris doctor) magna cum laude from Harvard Law School. First Black president of Harvard Law Review.
Just wondering, Bucky? What's YOUR educational level?

Lay off the crack...that makes no sense at all.

The quotes should have been around "policies".

You guys are really a piece of work. Miss Bush??? Move to Dallas. Or wherever they run to when war crimes charges a brought.

Unless you can back up these absurd statements...YOU BOTH look like the morons!!!
If you want real debate (doubtful) lay out the facts. If not.....

Zen

 

I'm sorry, but you're all nuts. Look, Obama isn't Jesus or the antichrist. He's a politician. He lied, cheated, and rewrote history to get elected, just like everyone else who has ever run for president since John Adams (Washington didn't really run, he was unapposed). I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt right now, the same thing I did in 2001 when Bush was elected (Completly lost me with Iraq in 2003). It's hard to tell what they will really do this early. Maybe he will destroy America, or maybe things will get better. We just have to wait and see.

 

Yeah, I was being sarcastic with all that gloom and doom, zen, but I think bailouts are a very idea. But Bush started it with that bailout of the banks. Plus he himself has admitted that he doesn't know what to do with the suspected terrorists in Gitmo. I think gitmo should be reformed not closed. And I think there should be a main guy that answers directly to the president and all the other top dogs and makes the decisions on who gets tortured and how. And only the ones that have information about the dangers to Americans and have information that can make us all safer should get tortured. So, sorry, Zen, I wasn't thinking right and I was being sarcastic and kinda overdid it.

Wasteland is right, maybe I will be surprised. Let's wait and pray and see how and what he does. I'm just not optimistic.

Cheers, Fawkes

 

It's cool, Fawkes. Perhaps I went a bit overboard upon seeing the name 'Sean Hannity'!!

I think Obama is a good man. Unfortunately he's a little too late. Bush pretty much destroyed what was left of the Empire. Imo, Obama's big job will be letting us land easy instead of a crash and burn.
This nation (and the world in general) either create a new paradigm or go down in flames. We are in deep deep trouble. The financial situation is the least of our worries.

I cannot, on moral grounds, agree on torture of any kind. We should be better than that. Besides, this so called "War on Terror" is a total fraud. Instead of invading nations with "Lawyers, Guns and Money" send food, shelter and education. Terrorist recruitment would dry up. Never happen though....no profit in it.

Zen

 

so you just agreed obama is no different than bush..
a warmonger is a warmonger whether democrat or republican and obama is determined to carry on bushes policies concerning the "war on terror"(minus torture,so he says) right down to bombing pakistan.. hell he even has plans to increase the size of the military by 100,000 troops.

on top of that his whole "stimulus package" is a big fucking joke,he has agreed to more funding going abroad while this nations going broke..god help us with him in office..

yeah,, obama.. yay..

 

If you don't have the time for a long post, then skip. If you don't have the intelligence to debate, then don't reply.

Actually, I am glad to find someone who is up for a debate. Whenever I try to get a debate on here, I get silly, one lined comments.

Did I say something about Hannity?

How exactly did Bush destroy the empire? That is just as bad a comment as the one I made when I started the post, the one about Obama trying to destroy America in his first week. How did Bush destroy us?

I don't believe Obama is trying to destroy us, but I have heard some amazingly bad things going on this week;

A) This stimulus package is a bunch of crap. I cannot see how it is going to work. At first when I read that my local school district was going to get a pile of money I thought, hey cool, we need the money. Then Mark Levin made me see the light. JUST LOWER TAXES AND LET US KEEP THE MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! Why should someone in Michigan or Hawaii or some other state pay federal taxes so Obama can give them to me in my school district. Why should I pay taxes so that people in other states can get bailout money. You know what this is? TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!! We are going back to colonial times, but the tyrant has moved from London to Washington.

You can never trust someone else when they are spending your money. I heard today that CitiGroup recently bought a luxury dassault jet with our bailout money. They are in trouble, they get bailout money, then they spend it on some seriously expensive, seriously cool stuff. Sure, maybe they really needed a corporate jet, but they didn't have to go for the Bentley of the industry.

Merrill Lynch was in trouble last year. CEO John Thain spent 1.22 million dollars redecorating his office. Then accepted a nice chunk of coin from the bailout. The company lost something like 30B last year. But some of the last checks he wrote were 3B for his executives. I did hear that he was planning to pay back the 1.22M though, but only because he got caught.

Go to Russia. There are some absolutely beautiful palaces, and the subway in Moscow is supposed to be the most beautiful in the world. But can you get a good job? Nope. There's no money being passed around through the market the government takes it all away from the people.

Can anyone tell me about a time when government spending bailed a country out of a recession or depression.

I can go on about what a STUPID idea the stimulus package is, but I think that is enough for now. I can give you more if you want. What else has Obama done already that is scary?

B) The whole closing of Gitmo with no plan is scary, but we've debated that enough elsewhere. No more torture or rendition is kinda scary. So, we might have a guy that we believe knows information, but we can't force him to tell us. Americans will die.

C) Danish Scientists believe that the earth's magnetic field may affect the climate and thus be the cause of global warming. 650 climatologists at the UN Global Warming Conference in Poznan, Poland said that Global Warming is not true. The temperature of the earth peaked in 1998 and has been falling ever since, and this has been the coldest winter on record. Global Warming apparantly does not exist. But Obama wants to handcuff American industry with things like increased automobile emissions regulation.

I pray that Obama succeeds, and I will come on here and admit it to you and to gardener (another poster that I argue with) when and if he does, I am just not optimistic

I gotta admit that food shelter and education would do well. Extreme Madrassas in Pakistan survive on taking impovershed young boys and giving them the basics of survival, then brainwashing them to believe that they must fight Americans and the West with every breath they take. If we could feed and take care of these boys, then they would not fall into the hands of the extremist Imams. But like you said, no profit in it. I'm not sure how that plan would be implemented.

You wanted facts, Zen? There you go. What have you got to say in response? Please, I believe that you are an intelligent individual and I look forward to hearing back from you.

 

OHH, I almost forgot. We now have a tax cheat leading the IRS. He didn't UNDERSTAND the tax code? He made a MISTAKE? BULLSHIT! He is a criminal. How is he qualified to lead the IRS if he doesn't even understand how to pay taxes. If I did what he did I would be in serious trouble. But he is forgiven and given a position at the top.

 

I think Obama might do some good, if you read the book of Revelations in the Bible you understand how he could possibly be the Antichrist if you really believe in that sort of thing. I think he will probably help enough to earn a second term but he could run us into the ground.

 

Oh, yeah, Zen, I mentioned Hannity in the poll. Just saw that and remembered. You know what though, Hannity is alright. Why don't you like him? Because he tell us about the pork in Obama's porkbarrel destimulus package. Stuff like 21M for landscaping on the mall and Nancy's pet project. I forgot how much she wanted, but it was something like 200M for STD prevention. Pork chops and bacon my friend.

 

Sean Hannity is a disingenuous blowhard like those on the Left. He is also a poster boy of corporate media. What does Hannity do other than tow the Republican Party line? He certainly doesn't speak the full truth. These neocon shills like Hannity and Limbaugh are just as bad as those on the Left.

 

its funny how people defending obama usually resort to mocking people that dont like him.
i hate obama, i hate hannity. there basic core policies are no different from bush. we will see no change from him. and if we do it will be for the worst.

 

Fawkes:

Lowering taxes is what caused this recession-- tax cuts and lower interest rates in combination with unregulated spending. The Bush administration lowered interest rates and actively encouraged the lending of money to people who couldn't afford it, creating a lot of money that actually didn't exist... and as housing prices rose, these people were paying off loans worth more than the actual house they had bought... and eventually, they just couldn't afford it anymore. Also because of tax cuts made by the Bush administration, the upper 1% got richer... and guess where that money came from? That's right, it came from the people who had been made 'virtually' richer by the lower interest rates and unregulated mortgage approvals. The Bush Administration was warned that this would lead to a recession, and could have intervened at any time, but they chose not to.

As for stimulus packages and public spending having pulled nations out of financial crises-- this exact thing happened in the 30s under FDR's New Deal... with a little help from WWII.

The key to getting over this isn't to give rich people tax breaks. It's to get their money into the hands of the people who actually need it.

 

floyd i think you have some things backwards. look at the federal reserve. they lower the interest rate irrespective to the market. along with there ability to print money at will.
the banks had all this money to lend out so they loan it out to people that didnt have the means to pay for it. so after some time when the bills become due people are in too much debt to pay all there bills, banks foreclose on homes and cars because people cant pay there loans.

the stimulus is just more inflation (printing of money out of thin air) it wont help bring us out of a recession, it puts more money in the banks to lend out so people can take out more loans. so it is delaying the inevitable and at the same time making it worse. by devaluing the dollar, the world losses confidence in it and will one day not even except it, collapsing the world market.

how do we solve this recession??
-get ride of the federal reserve... its a private bank, and unconstitutional (stopping the artifical interest rates, stopping the printing)
-get ride of the federal income tax, its used to pay off the debt to the federal reserve bank. (every dollar printed by the fed is loaned to the government + an interest on it. like a car loan, they give you say 20,000. but because of interest you end up paying back 25,000. same idea) The tax takes about 30% of your paycheck, put in in the hands of those that earned it!
-get back on the gold standard (prevents to much money being printed so we wont have more inflation)
-let the markets regulate interest rates (no one company or man is smart enough to do it, let the millions of people and buisnesses find the right amount)

this will lead to a depression but it will be shorter and less so than if we continue the course. inflation will only make things worse.

 

Why not use a percentage? A survey just a month ago for scientistists studying the climate showed that 90% agreed that humans are the cause of global warming. Yeah, 650 disagree out of 54,000 and most of those probably work for oil companies. Looks like you're cherry picking data.

 

:cheers2: Exactly. Government spending is the way to get out of a depression. Rosevelt proved that. Check out what happened to GDP after Rosevelt started spending. The only negative GDP year was when Rosevelt didn't spend.

The last thing you want to do is cut spending and raise taxes the way Hoover did to try to balance the budget. The government should balance the budget during good times not bad. The middle class workers are the engine of the economy. Give them jobs and tax cuts and we may pull out of this mess. And don't give 80% of the tax cuts to the top 5% the way Bush did. Trickle down doesn't work. That was a waste.

 

i got caught up emotionaly cuz he was gonna be the first brotha in the white house u know, but now with all the bills hes passing im starting to loose hope!

 

first of all, i agree that we should invest into our country but the kind of spending that obama is doing WILL RUIN US. he is spending money we dont have period. he is mortgaging our kids future and its not fair to them.

also, i know you dont like the idea of giving the rich tax cuts. neither do i. but that kind of thinking will not work in international economics, heres why:

if you increase tax on big business, big business will not grow because they are making less money. investor confidence shrinks.

if you decrease tax on big business they make more money. with more money to play with investor confidence rises and you have an upward spiral from there.

that is just the way it works. some people dont like it because they say "hey these big businesses are making way more money than me and getting taxed less". but thats the way trickle down economics works. more business means more jobs means more money in your pocket which means more consumerism and grows into more business.

raising taxes in this kind of economy will only accomplish one thing: plants who are getting taxed more will close their doors and go to a country that will tax them less, and with them will go hundreds of jobs. people become jobless and add to the burden of the economy, which is a downward spiral.

 

That's just the thing, he is making money out of thin air to spend said money. All that money or most of it is being used to create new jobs like the great war did back in the late 1930s. What Obama is planning to do is much the same expect instead of making guns, tanks, and planes for war we'll be making wind mills, fuel efficient cars, and government sponsored jobs.