https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVUh6iflAYU&NR=1 I want to know why none of these witnesses matter. I've seen what airplane debris actually looks like (the NTSB has some awesome catalogs of debris) and, really think the argument that "there isn't enough debris" is pretty trash.
9/11 happened. It wasn't that big of a deal. It could have been prevented, but oh well. Shit happens. Americans are pussies for getting so affected by it.
Did you look into who some of those people are? Do you know who Mike Walters is? Anyway, I don't even get into 9/11 anymore with people, because I think the entirety of the evidence shows that what happened isn't what we were told. Evidence can be planted. People can be paid off to lie. The fact stands that the hole in the Pentagon prior to the collapse of the outer ring could not have accomodated a Boeing. Neither can this punch-out hole that was able to penetrate three whole rings of the Pentagon.
It's funny I was just randomly talking about that last night.. the conversation ended with me falling asleep and being like.. whatever.. whatever happened happened.. don't care.. lemme play a song.. haha
didn't have to, there are more aspects of things aboard a plane that can punch holes in walls that aren't the fuselage honestly, I doubt the fuselage by itself could. I am simply saying that, there is so much insanity on both sides of this subject, that to become an acolyte of either side is absurd.
I am not an acolyte of either side. I think 9/11 is just one SYMPTOM of a much bigger sickness that has been going on for a very, very long time. Some people act like it all began with 9/11. It didn't.
look, I don't doubt it because I don't think that it's something the government would do, or would allow to happen, honestly? I am surprised they don't pull this kind of shit more often My concerns are clearly, for the most part, these people are not good at this, I mean, lots of conspiracy theorists think that they are quite clever for having discovered this shit, in part, it's that the people doing it, aren't working to hard to cover it up, and partly that they aren't very good at this in the first place, I DO think there is the operational capacity to pull this off, I do not think said operational capacity could do it in such an elaborate way as most theories present, ESPECIALLY the bush administration and CIA, these are smash and grab people, and as much as there is a possiblity that their methods could be influenced by an outside source, I don't think they strongly WOULD be it is EXTREMELY obvious how bush cheated to win 2000/2004, and no one REALLY gave a shit, it was accepted as business as usual, some misdirection, some minor protest, but, really, the smash and grab was ignored, and that's why he got away with it Do I think the u.s. government pulled off 9/11? no, do I think it is possible, even probable that there was some collusion with the people who did do it? absolutely but the fringe belief that george bush knew exactly what went down in an operational sense? that's absurd, if he had, it would have been a much less subtle plan, he works with cheney, and did work with rumsfeld again, not subtle men. I do think, honestly, it could have been a plane, could it have been a modified awacs with a shaped charge in the nose? sure, people don't know fuck about planes, in the military they are even relying more and more on their computer to tell them what they are shooting at. I doubt it was a missile because the kind of debris, and the incredible number of actual witnesses, could that plane have been modified? absolutely, put a shape charge in a radom, you have your giant fireball/hole punched through. do I think that it was a missile? based on the loose understanding people do have of it, and the large number of interviews, sometimes by peopl who were seriously, genuinely surprised I don't think it could have been a proper surface to air, or ground to air missile we don't have missiles big enough to be what the sparce footage which has been seen, except for crise missiles, which, would have fucked up the pentagon a WHOLE lot more
But if you believe the goverment could have been in collusion with the people who did it, whoever you think those people might be, what makes it so hard to believe that the government pulled it off themselves, without the help of some rinky-dink terrorists? And it's not necessarily just the government. There are many parts to the government, including the intelligence agencies and the military-industrial complex. I don't think Bush necessarily was aware of what happened at the time. He is just a puppet. I do think several people within his administration knew, particularly Cheney, but I don't think these people played a huge role. I think this went way beyond the White House and incorporated many foreign agencies as well. I am not saying the alleged "terrorists" played no role, but I think their role served for little more than the creation of a convenient cover story. I have heard testimony from career airline pilots who have stated on record that no terrorists -- let alone themselves -- could have pulled off the maneuver they did smashing into the Pentagon. It would be nearly inpossible for a Boeing to fly that low to the ground after dropping 7,000 feet in the last two minutes of flight (according to air traffic control records).
I don't think it was a missile, I have no opinion whether or not it was a boeing, but, I do think it was an airplane and, the government didn't need the help of others, but it made it much more convenient, collusion eases some problems, mostly logistical ones, involved in this sort of problem.
yes but not enough. not nearly enough people woke up after such a horrible day. and a horrible cover up. but since then many people have come to their sences. so cant complain. and this is a random place for this thread to be..
this is RT, where have you been? we run the gamut here. anyway, i hope people continue to awaken. think outside the man.
