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Jesus' last words

MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."


LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."


JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."


Bible contradiction.

 

Actually I have no problem sharing label.

The problem is when a label has several different meanings.

So if someone asks something like "are you a Christian"; before I answer, I just like to know what is meant by the word Christian so misunderstandings can be avoided.

Some who call themselves "Christian" believe in a fiery hell, the trinity, that everybody goes to heaven and that you can pick and choose what you want to believe etc but there are some Christians who believe the Bible is the word of God and that none of the above are Bible based teachings.

So if you ask if I’m a Christian and you believe that the first are true the Christians, then No, I am not a Christian, not even close but if you believe the second are true Christians then yes, that is what I’m trying to be.

PS sorry about my previous post, that I edited out, it was late and I was a bit tired.

 

Bible contradiction?

How are these scriptures contradictory?

Do any of them say this is the only thing Jesus said before he died?

Leaving the possibility that he could have said them all just before he died.

 

LOL if that what helps you sleep at night. However it is still a contradiction.
One that is pretty important for christians seeing its their God, that is saying his last words. Which the bible cannot make up its mind on what they were.

So OWB, I win you loose. Want to play again? I will whoop your ass again because you have nothing you can say to defend your silly religion. You are a special type of christain that get to pick and choose what he believes to shape christianity to your own liking and only follows the good teachings and the righteous ways......lol poser.:cheers2:

 

And yet you believe Barthes is hogwash!

I think, again, you should avoid labels that are ambiguous, if you aren't happy with that ambiguity. But I don't think anyone realistically imagines that all Christians believe the same thing just because they are all called Christians (although I dunno, maybe some of the fervent trash that pollute this place might, the ones who witter on about brainwashing and all that guff). We can call all dogs dogs without being massively surprised that one dog is a Lhasa Apso and another is a St Bernard.

 

Also he's Jesus, he can say three things at once if he wants to?

 

Origen Adamantius (ca 185-254), the first Christian to write extensively on the books of the Bible, had some interesting things to say about Biblical literalism, especially in interpreting Genesis: "Anyway, will any man of sense suppose that there was a first day, and a second, and a third, evening and morning, without sun and moon and stars? and the first, as it were, even without a heaven? And who is so silly as to imagine that God, like a husbandman, planted a garden in Eden eastward, and put in it a tree of life, which could be seen and felt, so that whoever tasted of the fruit with his bodily teeth received the gift of life, and further that any one as he masticated the fruit of this tree partook of good and evil? And if God is also said to walk in the garden in the evening, and Adam to hide himself under the tree, I do not suppose that any one will doubt that these passages by means of seeming history, though the incidents never occurred, figuratively reveal certain mysteries. Moreover, Cain's coming out from the presence of God, if we give heed, is a distinct inducement to inquire what is meant by "the presence of God," and by a man's "coming out from" it. Why say more? They who are not quite blind can collect countless similar instances of things recorded as actual occurrences, though not literally true. "
Saint Augustine likewise considers the problem of biblical literalism, specifically in the context of Genesis. He argued that the Biblical text should not be interpreted literally if it contradicts what we know from science and reason. In "The Literal Interpretation of Genesis" (early 5th century, AD), St. Augustine wrote:

It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation.

– De Genesi ad literam 1:19–20, Chapt. 19 [AD 408]​

In other words, Christians who take too literal a view of scripture at the expense of reason make Christians look like dumbasses to non-Christians. Christians had good sense back then.

 

fuckin moronic statement and poll

 

What do you mean? I would like to understand where you are coming from, could ya let me in on your view?

 

Thanks for you concern but I’ve never had trouble sleeping, in fact one person told me that I was the only person he’d ever seen put his head on the pillow and snore at the same time.

I pointed out why it’s not a contradiction and you can say “oh yes it is” all you want but it’s just not a contradiction.

For one thing Jesus is not God but the son of God and for a another thing Jesus said a lot of other more important things than those last words.

Sorry, I'm not playing a game so can not win or lose.

As for having nothing to say to defend the Bible and Christianity, I have plenty to say just try me and please come up with something better than this “last words” bit because it just didn’t fly.

As for this, I have no idea what you are talking about, as far as I’m concerned True Christians do not get to pick and choose how they worship, how that is to be done is laid out pretty plainly in the Bible.

 

You didnt prove it wasnt a contradiction .....So Oh yes it is.

Jesus isnt god eh?
I am not a christian but it seems that I know more about it than you do.

I guess this is what I get for engaging into a conversation with a person that is adolescent in behavior.

 

Then please show me in the Bible where it says that Jesus is Almighty God.

 

You've yet to show me anything that was a contradiction so I have nothing to prove.

 

isn't it under the chapter labeled "trinity"? lol

 

I don't think that chapter made it into the Bible. The doctrine of the Trinity isn't spelled out, and in fact the term is never used in the Bible. It's a matter of interpretation, drawing on certain passages and putting two and two (or should I say two and one). One source us the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19-20 (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). Another is Jesus, especially in John14: 25-26, where he speaks of the Father and a Helper (Holy Spirit?), both different from Himself. The Old Testament Yahweh is depicted as having different aspects (Word, Spirit, and Wisdom), and John opens with a statement that the Word(Jesus)co-existed with the Father from the beginning. After the Resurrection, the Apostles were visited not only by Jesus but by the Holy Spirit in the form of tongues of fire. But the Trinity was a subject of dispute between the proto-orthodox (Catholic) faction and various sects eventually declared heretical: Marcionites, Ebionites, Valentinians, and Arians (not the white supremacist types, the followers of Arias). The Council of Nicea opted for the Trinity, the Roman Emperor backed them up,and it's been official Christian doctrine ever since.

 

You must have chosen not to read my post regarding Jesus' last words.

Passage Matthew 27:46-51:
46And about the ninth hour Jesus(A) cried out with a loud voice, saying, (B) "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" that is, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" 47And some of the bystanders, hearing it, said, "This man is calling Elijah." 48And one of them at once ran and took a sponge, filled it with(C) sour wine, and put it on a reed and(D) gave it to him to drink. 49But the others said, "Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to save him." 50And Jesus(E) cried out again with a loud voice and(F) yielded up his spirit.

Passage Luke 23:46:
46Then Jesus,(A) calling out with a loud voice, said, "Father,(B) into your hands I(C) commit my spirit!" And having said this(D) he breathed his last.

Passage John 19:30:
30When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, (A) "It is finished," and he bowed his head and(B) gave up his spirit.

ok OWB, read carefully and you will see that the bold parts are the passage titles and Jesus' last words in that passage. I got it all from the same web page about the bible.
http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearch.php

Now explained how those passages do not contradict each other?

 

I believe you maybe right, now if he'll be good enough to quote it for me.

 

I read your first post and I read this one, perhaps you’re the one not reading your own posts. It is quite obvious that by looking at Matthew 27:46-51 and John 19:30 that Jesus saying "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” was before he received the sour wine and "It is finished," was after the sour wine.

So now please relate how this is a contradiction, because all I see is that he said three things before he died and nothing that says he could not have said them one after another and then died, perhaps you can show me where I'm missing something.

PS I'm still waiting for you to show me where the Bible says that Jesus is the one and only Almighty God.

 

Jesus goes further than the Lazarus contradiction. There the organic humanity is under the metamorphosis of change to organs of the spirit; the other place by the spirit Jesus Christ lets go of the unconscious threat to certainty, and He gives to dying his Feelings to become self-feelings of the soul and uncertainty to who he was for the factual biography.

Lazarus had a biography. Jesus Christ was beyond his own biographic state for the finish.

 

Kinda felt the same way, to be honest. Apart from anything else, if you knew absolutely definitely that it was God, in the broadly understood definition of that term, could you still reasonably be an Atheist?