Well basically it's my belief that many of the world's religions have the same message, but it's people's beliefs that keep them from actually experiencing the truths their religions teach (ironic, huh?) For this post Im going to try to relate Hinduism and Christianity (even though I'm going to talk about Jesus, who was a Jew), because most people see them as far different. Well basically Jesus preached of attaining divine love from God, leading a life of non-attachment to physical things, brotherly love, nonviolence even in the face of violence, prayer, and faith. Hinduism (and Buddhism, Taoism, and the likes) all preach the same basic message. Cultivation of divine love, compassion for humanity, nonviolence, and meditation. So what seperates the realization of these two religions as being the same thing? People's inability to directly experience the truths. Let me explain... Jesus preached that all it took for a person to be saved was to accept the kingdom of God, and live for God. Like of the example of the criminal on the cross at the crucifixion, upon asking forgiveness Jesus told him that he was instantly accepted into the kingdom of heaven. Now this isnt' the same idea as what is preached in many of the modern Christian churches (in which you accept Jesus into your heart, and supposedly you should experience some internal miraculous burst of enlightenment and instantly be forgiven) From sinner to saint in one breath. He also preached that it was important to pray everyday and build a personal relationship with God. In Hinduism, these concepts can be seen as the ability to break away from the roots of sadness in your life and find true happiness. As long as you make God/divine love the center of your thoughts, those qualities will manifest in your life with time. There is nothing holding you back but your belief that you can't attain that. Meditation is the exact same thing as prayer (depending on whether its pure silence or focused intent) in the fact that both are conscious realizations of what you truly desire. By consciously bringing up divine thoughts and recognizing them, they will slowly gain intertia within the mind and will manifest. Both Jesus and Yogi's understood that anything in your life is thought. Whether it's the physical setup of items in your room, the friends you have, the relationships you have. All you have to do is meditate on the divine constantly, and it will show. Nonviolence is the exact same within both religions too. Turn the other cheek and ahimsa are basically the same. Both knew that whenever you get angry, the only person you hurt is yourself. YOUR blood pressure rises, YOU gain physical stress, and ultimately you are degrading your own body. You may not always be able to control the outside world, but it is always possible to control your own emotions and how you relate to the outside world. By only focusing on divine qualities of compassion, love, and serenity, you guarantee that you will not be a slave to the constant change of the outside world. Both religions fundamentally teach this. The problem of why people can't see these two religions as the same is because they ultimately get too caught up in ideology and little specifics, and do not even truly get to experience these truths. Especially Christianity, which has been grossly manipulated and far torn from the message that the Jesus figure had wanted people to recieve. Jesus simply wanted people to try to cultivate love and compassion within every single interaction of their life, just like Yogi's try to cultivate the same qualities. While ultimately the path to the divine qualities may be different (because they use different words, different concepts), ultimately it is EXPERIENCE of these divine qualities which is cultivation of God. If were a lone caveman in the middle of nowhere and simply radiated love, then he has already built a relationship with God. He will reflect God/God-qualities in everything he does. Both a yogi and a saint may have different words for the same thing, but ultimately if they experience divine love than they both are with God. A pastor that has hate in his heart but knows the Bible word for word is no more closer to God than a Yogi who is constantly stressed and preaches hot air for money. Books such as "The Secret" preach the exact same thoughts. The power of creation, the importance of "being" brotherhood and love, awareness, prayer, and meditation. They are all reflections of the same truth, but there are many paths to the same truth. Each person just takes different triggers to come to the realization. Ultimately the only truth is EXPERIENCE, that which can be felt internally. It's like a party full of people rolling on ecstasy. Two people may be enemies before takin those pills, but right after they're rollin hard there is only the truth of LOVE, connection, brotherhood, empathy. Forget everything else that has happened before, but just revel in the joy of now and consciously reflect that into the world. That is what both religions preach. Any comments?
I have a few. First no one knows what Jesus actually said. But I highly doubt that the common Christian philosophy differs much from his day. After all his upbringing was hebrew (jewish) and the jews did believe that their God Yahweh was the one true God of the universe. As such Jesus's belief was almost certain to be the same as his fellow jews. It is also a common belief that Jesus' disciples were of the jewish sect now known as Gnostics. For more information on this please visit http://gnosis.org/welcome.html. Also Jesus taught physical non violence yet he himself was recorded as being furious with the men who "polluted" his Father's temple. (i.e. Mt: 21:12)
There are a number of years missing in the Life of JC , pretty much all his teen years and all of his 20's. There was a Russian guy , I think he was Russian who put out a book years back about how JC picked up a great deal of his philosophy in India. Which does make sense as the average Jew in his day and age was pretty much ready to stone<not the good kind> anyone who didn't share the same ideas.. not a whole lot has changed with the Jews either... it's so much more humane to use a missile than explosives strapped to one's chest ..
Yah that is very true. I hate to use Jesus as an example of Christianity (because Judaism is nothing like Christianity. And the whole lineage of religions borrow concepts from Zoroastrianism, Christianity from Paganism) but it's kind of the easiest way to relate it to people. And the Jesus being angry thing was definately true. I don't even like to use Jesus as a historical figure, but since his popularity is so great and his principles identical to Jewish, for sake of arguement we'll make him real (whether he was or not in the way described in various texts). Too much disinformation within religion seems to be one of my main problems. Like the institution of marriage. People rarely ever experience the holy communion between man and woman (experiencing God through the other, or Tantra), but usually becomes a physical manifestation of the need for security in insecurable love. The experience of the holy spirit can be likened to experiences of Kundalini. Not that these experiences are benchmarks for your spirituality, but true knowledge and understanding of the core of these concepts are often lost. When people start fighting wars over whether crackers and juice are the body n blood of God or simply symbolic, I think they gotta look a little deeper.
To fight over a religion is like fighting over a river. They all empty into the same sea. Where then is the importance of the river? x
I agree. Like, I was talking to this Go Go Jesus guy the other day, and I was telling him that what I believe and what he believes are the exact same. I told him that I was a Christian in every aspect, except I dont' give any credit to the apocalypse story, creation stories, etc (I don't get why Christians do too, Jesus was a Jew -_-). I can't deny they might be true, but it's like taking a stand for something which is ultimately unprovable. Why am I going to go to church to learn about how they couldn't eat scavengers/non scale fish/non split hoofed animals back in the day, but they do now? And then hear a bunch of theories explaining it in which really is unprovable? What I do take a stand for is EXPERIENCES, which can be felt and understood in the now. Love, peace, truth, happiness. Those four words are the true religion, and people often lose sight of it.
All religion is is a way to contain a vast omnipotent being into a single set standard. the three reasons that we have so many seperate religion are 1: To define said being into something we can understand 2: To give each group power over others 3: To fit a set lifestyle that each group lives. (i.e. the Jews aka ancient Hebrews, were a nomadic tribe, thus their god needed to be everywhere they were at all times. Which is where Yahweh came from) eace:
I know what you mean. I was talking with a guy once that said if only scientists could find Noah's ark more would believe. I don't see the benefit of believing such things. In the Tao it says that "the Tao(God) is like water. It takes the lowest place yet nourishes all". This reminds me of the when Jesus cleaned his disciples feet....or when he died as a lowly criminal for the benefit of all.