Greetings, debate me, why is communism a good thing?

greetings my socialist friends. My name is Edd, one of the many captialist friends of you and your nations. However I am slightly confused. Please could you help me in my understandings of your beliefs, and debate over my current views.

a society where one, and others are equal will never work. It is thwarted by the natural greed of mankind. equality will, and will always result in conflict and the thirst for power. And therefore communism cannot work.

man will always want a bigger stick than the man next to him, its a fact of life. If you take away this option life ceases to work in its natural balance and man will fight.

And how can communism put everyone be equal if one man runs it all, sipping caviar, while another slaves away working? The wokrer will want to be a leader, the leader will nto want to do anything apart form be a leader.

And how is it equal for everyone, if one man is forced to break his back daily, making good s for the masses, while anthers job is so much easier (for the same amount of money)?

And what is there to motivate people, apart from money?, and believe me patriotism will not work for most.

And how is man equal in a communist soceity, if those higher up have more say than the man working in the factories?

Economic prosperity is acheived by people cultivating the skills that they individually are good at, and prosperity can only be acheived by encouraging those who have an attitude for aptitude for industry and mercantilism.

Also there’s no clear idea as to where the society would progress once social and economic prosperity is achieved (supposedly). The human mind and want is very complex – it is highly naive to think that material prosperity is the end all of life.

Please, socialist friends, answer me these questions.

 

Communism is better than capitalism ....

and that says it all.

 

Im sorry, no give me one communist place that has prospered? and pelase answer my questions!

thanks

ed

 

None of the communist countries were very industrialized or developed before the revolution. They weren't prospering before communism either. Stalin used force to rapidly industrialize Russia, and essentially created state capitalism...it failed in the same way capitalism does, because the workers didn't have any more power than they did before...that's not true socialism.

That's capitalism. That's pretty much the way it is now.

The point of socialism is that the workers who are currently slaving away for very low wages will get to have power. With capitalism, the guys at the top have all the economic power, which gives them more control than just political power, and they can pretty much undermine the whole democratic system. With capitalism, the bourgeoisie doesn't want to be anything but rich, and the workers certainly would want to be the leaders. Socialism allows those workers to lead collectively.

 

I don't consider myself a communist, but I don't agree with all of your opening statements.

For example, it is untrue that all of mankind thirsts for power. If that were the case, why would anyone ever want to be a teacher, or a stay at home parent, or a fireman? Why would anyone be doing the countless jobs which never lead to power? The majority of adults in America work in careers which never lead to power, or wealth. You probably don't hold any great power yourself.

So in my opinion, capitalism is actually designed for the tiny minority of people who desire much more than most people. The entire system is there for the few mutants who crave far beyond what is normal.

I have always thought capitalism is the ideal breeding ground for sociopaths. They can justify their actions simply by saying they made a profit.

 

You cannot call them communist countries. Communism was never achieved. They stalled in the stage of Socialism, which was admitted by Stalin, Lenin and Mao.

I do not believe that Communism is an achievable system specifically for the reason of human greed. We cannot achieve utopia when ONE of us thinks he is better and deserves more than another. This is not likely to happen without some physical and psychological evolution. I think the best we can hope for is Socialism without the authoritarian fascism that came with it in the past. Something a long the lines of what the American Libertarians want to do.

Communism could probably only be acheived in a purely agrarian society.

 

Completely and utterly false. Czechoslovakia was one of the richest countries in Europe before communism. It was almost completely unharmed in WW2, yet after 50 years under communism it was one of the poorest countries in Europe. You could also compare east with west germany to see how much damage communism does.

 

i believe if we could merge capitalism and communism into a form of society where everyone should have a home be treated equal but have advancment in work and small tiny benbefits mayb living in a better place or something but this would also have to happen for people wiith expanding families i dont know man im kinda tired and drunk but i thinkj i came up with a good joke

A guy walks into the bank and shouts at the manager 'SUCK IT YOU CAPITALIST WHORE' (insultingly lol) and the manager pauses for a seccond makes some calculations and replies
'Ok but i will need a 50pound down payment and 3% interest per 5 min it goes on'

it made me laugh but im drunk

 

Communism just like Capitalism will never/always work for some people
Socialism is a nice alternative if it is controlled by a free population rather than government socialism

but sadly the majority of Americans do not wanna be free... idk why they would rather chase after green paper till they die

but anyway communism would work great for the united states government if they could get ALL the people to shut the fuck up

bush tried to set up ground work for extreme fascism but failed
obama may try to go extreme commie but he will most likely fail
lol americans are too stubborn and sometimes its a good thing LOL :cheers2:

 

Capitalism and communism are equally bad to me if taken to extremes. The ideas can be okay but once you have one or the other system ruling everything..it's a mess!!
Peace & Love!

 

Wrong, because communism has never been taken to it's true extreme, a stateless, egalitarian economic system.

 

I would like to add that I see communism solely as a personal ideology(and only succeeding as such), not a form of government(because it cant work)... its almost akin to discussing anarchy as a form of government...the two are at odds...

I think this is where Zoomie was headed, in a tribal setting yes, communistic ideals may flourish..but when you remove reciprocity, natural(local) resource systems, and low-level warfare...its all blows up in your face... I'm beginning to believe that nothing short of local communities, governments, and systems can work... the federal government, is just too big, a continent is too big, the world is too big, no one can look at the planet and EVER understand whats going on, so we just need to look from within, outwards..this is why i see communism as a successful personal ideology, it has nothing to do with government, or 'forcing' others into a repressive system/regime, it will simply never work, for the people on top, or on the bottom, its just like putting a monkey in a cage...it will eventually go crazy

 

See what you all dont understand, that without the ambitious needs to achieve and be successful, there wouldnt be jobs. If you look at the socialism thats taking hold in Europe, you see a lack of jobs, economic growth, and birthrate. The people that work teachers and firemen, well for one, most college teachers are socialist, yet still one tries to get a job at a more prestigious school in order to get paid more and to get more recognition. This drive for success is still capitalist and healthy, creating powerful institutions.

The need for advancement usually leads to multiple position changes in careers, leading to more knowledgeable and diversified professionals. The majority of Firemen do so in the hopes to get a job as a firemen, which is a well paying job, instead of being a burger flipper, which is where they start. They might not be super rich, but they achieved a lot. They measure success with a nice house, with the things they want, and a future for their families. And working for it all and earning it, instead of being given it, has made them more efficient members of society.

Something given has no value. We give welfare to the poor, and yet they dont achieve, we give them educations, and yet they dont achieve, we give them food, and yet they dont achieve. Though most of that can be blamed on pop culture which supports the lack of achievement and the idea that you are owed everything. I blame the spoiled rich kids (most of whom are socialists). My dad never made more than 60k a year and is currently on social security. I have used food banks occasionally, barely scratched by, and used financial aid. Now Im going into the military. I started with nothing and when I get out, Ill invest, and achieve. I will accomplish all of my dreams, which I couldnt do so if I couldnt achieve and move beyond my status.