angels mistaken for gods

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by riptiderevolucion, Oct 28, 2004.

  1. riptiderevolucion

    riptiderevolucion Member

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    Are there any instances in either the Bible (Old and New Testaments) or in the Koran where someone mistakes an angel for a god or God?

    It just dawned on me that I could easily imagine someone misinterpreting such an experience, but I can't think of any canonical stories wherein this occurs. For some reason I think I might've read a scene where a person begins to bow to an angel and the angel tells them not to, but I might've gotten that from some random non-religious source. Or I might've just hallucinated it.
     
  2. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    I don't know, but I say a special on UFO's the other day where a guy said that angles could have been aliens from another planet. hehe
     
  3. atropine

    atropine Member

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    what about the torah? most of the old testament was butchered off the torah :p ands its Qu'ran isnt it? i dont really have anything to say on the topic though
     
  4. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    My first cover to cover reading of the bible was to see if angels were possibly aliens, and they could be, they look different, come in flaming chariot wheels in the sky, and have amazing powers.

    A woman who had a hobby of helping people get ghosts out of their houses, told me 20 years ago that the entity Moses had a relationship with lied to him becuz it was easier for him to believe it was God, when in fact it was not.
    Who knows? I tend to believe her, since she was a kindly retired lady, Christian, hated by her minister, ostracized by most other churchgoers, yet still would help them when 'things' would happen in their homes. They'd discreetly meet up with her, and she would have a chat with the ghost, who would then head off. Cool, huh?
     
  5. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    Nice. I can see how the unexplainable (or the "i just don't want to explain's") get associated with god or satan.
     
  6. the dauer

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    I don't remember if it's in Joshua or Judges but an angel comes and brings a message and someone goes to make an offering to it, and then it says not to because it is an angel of the Lord.

    Also, the name Yisrael goes back to the story of Jacob and the angel, and it means Godwrestler. Also, although not an angel, Deborah is deified by Barak. When she gives him the word of God, he will not accept it and says she herself must come with him into battle. There may be more instances than this.

    Also, it has been suggested that certain biblical characters represent the gods of other people, and by reducing them to mortality it shows they are not worthy of worship. I think Miriam is one of them although I forget which diety she was connected with. She's always connected with water; in what she does, her name, and how the people fare with their water when she is around or not.

    Dauer
     
  7. riptiderevolucion

    riptiderevolucion Member

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    Wow, that's a fascinating idea. I've never heard it before. I'll have to look into it. Do you happen to have any helpful links or reading suggestions?
     
  8. fulmah

    fulmah Chaser of Muses

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    Don't know too much about it supporting it; there's tons of theories out there regarding the identity of Yahweh, some get really outlandish. If you're really interested in it, I recommend just reading all the super old texts for yourself (most are online for free) and forming your own opinion :)

    http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Resources/Texts/bibTexts.html
     
  9. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    Well, you could try the first five books of the Bible.....

    There are many references to angels as being shining in white, from the sky, sometimes in a ship, even a flaming wheel, if that is not a ufo....and in the story of sodom and gomorrah, the men wanted Lot to hand over these strange looking strangers, but he refused.
    He was warned, and the cities were obliterated, his wife turned to salt, which is interesting since if you pulled every molecule of water out of someone, you'd have a few pounds of different mineral salts, containing various metals, worth about $14 last I checked.

    All religious texts and legends have similar visitors. and they all have the big disaster. that book Cataclysm outlines it in very detailed descriptions, and the myths match what the evidence supports, a global fire, oceans washing over continents, and a major shift of the poles, continents etc. sea levels rose 200 feet in a very short time.
     
  10. riptiderevolucion

    riptiderevolucion Member

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    Just to clarify, my second post was regarding the_dauer's reference to Biblical characters being analogues for deities; whereas my original post was asking about references to people mistaking angels for deities. So they are two totally different issues.
     
  11. the dauer

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    Well, I've been reading a translation of the Torah by Everett Fox that's pretty good. It's scholarly and he makes references to myths of other religions as different people come up. For instance, the story of Moses in the basket comes from a myth about a different god, which he explains, he also talks about the connections between Myriam and a deity, and he made mention of the theory. Though I imagine if you got any serious scholarly work on the torah you'd be able to find stuff on it. JPS has a 6 volume set. There's a Christian set too, I think called the Anchor Bible or something, that's similar.

    If you're looking specifically for a book on this theory, I'm not sure where you'd want to start. But if you're looking to get behind the actual text and see it in the context of surrounding myths and modern scholarship, either of those sets would help you.
     
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