question for anti-hunters

you have alot of arguments but no one is really supporting it... im seeing alot of people on my side here

 

Hunting is only part of a solution. To cull a herd to spare it from a painful and cruel death is a simple logic. But to learn to coexist with nature is a tough compromise for us the superior human.

If we choose the path we are on now it will be only a few decades until we destroy all species but our own. Then what, will we be left with our inbred meat supply we have now.

Man was meant to hunt and gather, we are just animals. We must learn to live amongst all living creatures. It truly is not that hard, we must learn that wildlife is going to wander into are cities and towns whether it be a herbivore or carnivore, are going to kill some of our cattle. It is more of excepting of that is what is natural and to be expected then to be a threat.

The solution is just simple exceptance, that is all.

 

yes. and who is involved in creating those conditions? "we" are. no one is free of the burden.

anyway, the elk and deer populations are stronger now than they were at the turn of the 20th century. i'd say the wildlife management people are doing an excellent job, except in those irrational liberal enclaves where they still have to kill the animals, just outta sight of the people who moved into their habitat. wouldn't want to bring down their property values and frighten the children with the sight of the cycle of life and death.

 

What I am saying is populations need to be controlled. You can choose to do it naturally, where there is more danger for you and your family, and far more suffering for animals, or you can use hunting.

This is wrong. You cannot equate human hunting with natural population control because hunters typically take down the strongest and best specimens they can find, whereas natural predators do just the opposite. Culling the weakest improves the species in the long run. Hunting deteriorates the species.

I do believe there are enough deer in the world to support both human hunting and natural predators, so I don't think this is really an issue. I just don't like seeing bad logic being used to justify it.

And anyway, how on earth is that a "danger" to me and my family???

Like others have said, I personally have no problem with hunting for food. Putting meat on your family's table is a noble thing, and in any case has been the way of human existence since time immemorial.

There are other aspects to this issue, though ... so-called "sport" hunting and that thing that I call, for want of a better word, "pseudo-hunting".

Slaughtering wild animals solely for the purpose of hanging their heads on your wall is barbaric and disgusting. But I don't believe this is what you were advocating, so never mind ...

I'm not against hunting and feeding your family. I'm not against the male-bonding thing of guys getting together for a shared hunt. But I am against "pseudo-hunting" ... that is, liquored-up rednecks with guns going into the woods and shooting up anything that moves, in misbegotten attempts to prove their manhood. I've seen this many times. These dudes could care less if they bring back "food" or not. All they want to do is raise hell.

I definitely have a problem with that.

 

Fair enough.

 

very well put burnt...

 

This is is definitely not a realistic solution, you do realize we already cant feed a large percentage of our planet right? How exactly would you justify using far inferior farming methods and livestock raising causing millions to die? I guess it doesent matter if a farm goes out of buisness because they cant keep the wolves out, or the bugs off of their plants. congragulations, you just caused an economic black hole and the stavation and poverty of billions. Once again the hippie mentality does not look farther than the the end of its nose. You have to look at things on a global scale, and look into the future.

 

Hm, well I do hunt for the "game" and the "sport." It's exilerating, the hunt that is. Since all of you think this is wrong, I'll just start hunting the most cunning predator, humans that is.

See ya on the hunting grounds, fuckers.

 

On your first point, i agree that hunters kill the biggest and strongest often, but these are hunters that are really into hunting not these "liquored up rednecks" you refrence. Yes it is possible for this to cause the species to degrade, but natural evolutionary regulators are still in place so i do not see that as an issue. And that isnt really the issue anyway, is it? The argument has to do with overpopulation and the health of an ecosystem not a species.

On your question of danger to your family, i was refering to the option of reintroduction of predators.

 

Come on man, your not helping

 

lol, I know but I'm JUST SAYING WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR.

Give em what they want, that's the 'right' thing to do, correct?

 

The way I look at it, that just emboldens them and makes them more firm in their stance. I am trying to make them realize that their stance, although honorable in ways, is completley irrational and counterproductive. I am not just here to pick a fight, saying what they want you to say just makes them think they are right.

 

lol. :cheers2:

 

what a fantastic refutation.

 

I like rice.

 

I don't buy this controlling the population bull. Nature got on fine without us for many a year, it can control itself. I do agree with some of the people on here that have talked about co-existance. We as humans, for some reason, have this need to push against nature. It's destroying many species and will destroy us in the end. If we could learn to go with nature, we would be happier, healthier and all over better for it.
Now my thoughts for the meat lovers on here. Getting rid of these dairy and meat farms would free up more land for crops to feed more people. Contrary to popular belief, you don't need cheeseburgers to survive. It's much better for people to hunt for their meat. It's healthier and you appreciate it more. Plus, it is natural.