Eco-Friendly = Just another phrase for "not trying to kill us all"

...if that made sense.

ok, just a quick disclaimer: I love nature in its many manifests and I try to do what I can to keep it how it is, this is kinda in the pov of someone that doesn't really have a love for nature

People say things are "eco-friendly" and "green"
but why? Why are we doing this for the planet? all of those little squirrels and flowers are insignifigant to us. We have our seperate crops, our farms where we keep our animals to kill and eat. Who cares if all of these fish get tumors from the toxins? what have they ever done for us? who cares if all of the elephants get poached? Let's burn all of the fossil fuels, who cares if the earth warms up? Who cares if the trees are cut down? We live in our homes. We can always find other ways to get oxygen.

Why are we trying to "Save the Planet"? The planet doesn't need saving, and it will be around forever unless an asteroid crashes into it and it turns into alot of little asteroids. When the human race dies out (which I think will happen within the next 20-50 years ), the earth will eventually break down all of the toxins, all of the chemicals and man-made things will desinegrate, and new life will emerge. I mean really, what's going to happen if we continue this destruction?



Personally, I don't think we're going to get out of the mess we've made. We've dug ourselves too deep in the hole, and we should have started paying attention to what we were doing about 50 years ago. We're gonna run out of oil, and that's gonna give alot of the world no power, I don't think we're going to have the money or land to make space for alternative fuels.

 

Well, you're one little pessimistic fellow! For your information, some people love life, and therefore would like to share a beautiful world with futur generations... that is all.

 

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my point was pretty much that people say we're 'saving the planet', but the planet isn't going anywhere.
it's really that we're saving ourselves. If we continue the destruction on nature, the coastlines will flood, the ecosystem will fall apart, and alot of people will be getting ill.

it bugs me when people say, "Oh, this hybrid is so green!" or some silliness.

 

it's true. Ideas are generally adopted by the mass without much judgement or reflection, wich can get on your nerves... and I doubt the actual effort will be enought, actually some say we've passed the critical point... but it's worth trying.

Yes ''saving'' is not the good word... like if a ganster started beating a guy to death, but stopped right on time, letting the guy escape and says : «You should be thankful I saved you from death.»... pretty self-indulgent... bah just blame it on our education...

 

I agree with the last part of your statement, about how we have passed a critical point, but the rest of it i disagree with completely.

People are trying to 'save' the planet because they are beginning to see whats been done. I agree the actual planet itself will probably be around for a very long time, but the state in which it is in at the moment does need rehabilitating. I do care about the planet, the environment, those little fish and elephants who our destruction will infect. So speak for yourself.

As long as I'm on this earth I am going to put all the effort i have into making this place a little better for every human, animal, & tree. Whether or not it makes any sort of impact, at least i tried and didn't sit there and do absolutely nothing like 1000s of other ignorant beings. If every person in north America gave a sh*t than maybe we could turn this place around.

 

I believe Al Gore has already said this, that the planet is doing just fine and will survive almost anything we do to it but that it's mankind that's in trouble. Although I'm a bit of an animal lover and a tree hugger and I'd hate to see us take them with us when we go.

 

Wow, you are super pessimistic dude. We take care of the planet because the planet takes care of us. Without proper soil plants can't grow, without plants animals can't eat, if animals can't eat we dont' eat. I'm not going to toss any spiritual beliefs about you about the purpose of life, but you should know that all life is balance.

We may be able to mass farm, use animal husbandry, etc., but what's hard to realize is unforseen consequences (blowback). If we destroy one link of the chain the whole system comes apart.

Plus, your arguement about oil/alternative energy assumes that it is foundational for people to consume this much energy. Like, "if we can't live this way, then I can't imagine any other way of living". And you justifiying our path to destruction by saying "it's too late" is absurd. Your overall tone is very pessimistic, and that's the way your actions will influence the world because that is where your thoughts reside. If your mantra is making the earth a better place it will be so, but that's ultimately your choice.

All life is a the remembering our way towards "God". Once the earth has actually reached the critical point, mass diseases/ sickness spread, and earth's vitality is at an all time low, people will wake up. And then they will ask themselves what truly matters. It's never too late, sometimes you just have to let the child make mistakes before they come to truth.

 

Just wondering where tipping points come in? What you say is great if the changes are gradual but if tipping points are true doesn't pollution have to be stopped before we reach them?

 

I mean, alot of people aren't doing anything about their actions because it's all a misleading. Not everyone loves the enviroment like you and me do, so they don't do anything about it. There should be some campaign/commericals telling people that they should change their ways, because it's not only for life on earth, but for ourselves.

 

What do you mean by "tipping points", like, the "point of no return" for our environment?

 

It's a sad sad thing. It's mainly because of mass consumerism. We live in a world where money is our blood, all meats come neatly pre-packaged in super market shelves, and we live in giant boxes. We live in this artificial world of the mind where we take laws, regulations, and government as actually being real. There is a huge disconnect from the true essence of life/nature.

If Bill Gates wanted to buy up the rainforest and just chop it down, we say it's "ok" because he "bought it" and he "owns it" now. But all along we are following along these artificial systems which give ownership to everything.

People just are very primitive within their consciousness. Their ego extends only to their physical bodies and its pleasures. People have very little spiritual growth (manifesting internal happiness, divine love, etc.) so many go their whole lives on a crazy mind trip to constantly stimulate themselves so they dont' feel the inner solitude (mass consumerism). When people start including the world with their ego, then we will see a change. But society tends to disconnect us from that.

As conscious beings capable of seeing real truth, we should act as "guardians" of the earth instead of its kings. But unfortunately few speak and act with higher truths.

 

I think thats what he/she meant.

 

For example when a specie or an ecosystem dies... you can't just make it live again...

 

In a way, Yes, but just for an example release of methane from bogs as permafrost melts. Mankind is causing a slow but steady increase in greenhouse gases which in turn is causing a steady rise in temperature but that temperature rise is starting to melt the permafrost as the permafrost melts the methane release will be many times more than all the greenhouse gases mankind releases and so at that time if mankind never put any more greenhouse gases in the air the methane being released from these bogs would sustain and speed up the climate change without any more help from mankind and there would be nothing more that mankind could do about it. Thus when something like that happens it’s called a tipping point.

 

I think this is a really good post, and I very much agree with you Tsurugi :cheers2:

behindthesun93 said she was writing from the "pov" - i.e. "point of view" of someone who doesn't care about the environment, so I take it that the pessimistic view she wrote was not her own view.

I do also think that the depletion of fossil fuels does pose a very real threat to the human population. We are reliant on it for mass food production, and I do worry that we won't be able to support our current global population level if we do not plan for this properly now. Certainly we need to drastically cut down our vastly wasteful consumerist culture, and reduce food transport and commuting mileage to conserve the resources we have and cut emissions.

I do love nature, but there are also practical reasons why we should maintain the ecosystem and biodiversity, such as to protect species from elimination by disease, and to develop new drugs and medication.

 

Well I hope people actually read my DISCLAIMER!