Not sure if this is the right forum but..

Discussion in 'Psychic' started by Mac, Mar 8, 2009.

  1. Mac

    Mac Member

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    Last night my best friend tried to commit suicide. i dont think he really was trying to kill himself because obviously he could have, he didn't bleed much.

    I feel like this was a cry for help. he had just gotten in a fight with his girlfriend and was drunk and emotional. he's feeling very disconnected from god and questioning the purpose of life and just wanting to end the search completely. he has never talked to me like this and im so fucking angry hes done this. i dont know if i can trust him to not do it again because the way he talks to me it sounds like hes just giving up. this is all really difficult, ive never had to deal with this. my question really is:

    What happens to a soul after suicide?
     
  2. rollingalong

    rollingalong Banned

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    they get a job at 7 11.......seriously in my religion they head staight to hell.....
     
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    I am not going to tell you what to advise your buddy, because if as a result the fool goes and kills himself i don't want to be held liable :)

    But hypothetically speaking, one should not be concerned with where the soul goes after suicide (that would be fruitless contemplation), instead , if one has a practical goal of preventing his or her buddy from killing themselves, they could:

    1) if the person was putting up a show like an infant to gain attention , then it would be logical to tell him or her to go ahead and do what they want, who gives a crap.

    i heard once a story about a guy who lay down on rails of subway screaming loudly "I wanna die".
    He created some congestion (the train couldn't approach platform and all the other trains got stuck in the pipeline), it was a rush hour, so some people got really upset and screamed at him something like "go and damn kill yourself wherever else you want, just move out of the way and let us board our trains so we can go to work".

    although it sounds cynical, yet i think there is no more powerful deterrant to foolish action than to deflate its' dramaturgy and the illusory expectations of a person who puts up a show. i think that guy would think twice before doing again what he did.


    2) now if the person is serious and really gave up (and doesn't care what others think of their suicide) , but at the same time still has a trace of reasoning left in their head, then it could be argued rationally.
    for instance, you could tell the person that despite all the hopelessness of their situation today, anything could change anytime in the future (in fact existence is all about changes).
    they have no knowledge of future and thus no knowledge of what changes might take place, and those changes may include the positive ones too.
    so, wouldn't it be unreasonable to dispose of life at once, without knowing for sure what is in the store tomorrow? it is never late to kill themselves, but once dead they won't have a chance to take advantage of opportunity that could be there just a minute or day after they are gone.

    This is not an advise what to tell your friend or how to deal with the situation, just an individual opinion expressed on hypothetical basis.
    For actual advise on how to deal with this situation seek the medical and or mental health professionals' assitance .
     
  5. liquidlight

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    ... sounds like he's already in hell, or at least he was last night. booze can open us up to our emotions and they can overwhelm us.

    A few years ago my friend paul ... who was a real drinker actually, phoned me late one night saying he was sitting in the bathtub having cut his wrists and was basically saying "Help me!" ... and not to call an ambulance. So i said i'd be over soon and then i called an ambulance. It was a couple of miles drive and my flatmate and i got there a good ten minutes before the ambulance (!).
    My friend was out of the bath and he'd only scratched his wrists a bit and didn't even really need medical attention.
    So it was a cry for help ... one of those moments when he found himself unable to see a way out of the rut of alcoholism, joblessness and depression he was in.

    All you can do is be there as a friend to talk to and show them they are worth something, ... at least to you, as a friend. Just drop in for a chat sometimes but discern when to keep a distance also ... you don't really want to involuntarily become his carer if you can really help it... he needs to find empowerment himself. If things get really bad maybe get some professional advise.
    .. but at the end of the day, if he does eventually manage to kill himself, so be it. You would have done all you could have really done.

    Spirit, or 'god' if you want to call it that, doesn't judge (like the human mind does)... there is no 'punishment' for people who commit suicide ... Just love, and peace.
     
  6. Mac

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    Your situation with paul sounds a lot like my situation with him.

    After talking to him I feel like he has just lost his spirit. We have always been so excited to find god, or tap into the abundant energy and love of the universe, but our situation the past few months has made it hard to do this. Ive been very resentful and angry at him for not helping me out with our house amongst other things (long story). But we have been very distant lately and a lot of his friends have abandoned him. plus hes a drinker (which isnt the only issue), but this doesnt help. he needs something to revive his spirit, make him whole and fulfilled again like we used to be. i told him this morning he needs to move out and find what he needs. im still debating on calling his mother and letting her know (im afraid to do this because she lost her husband to alcohol poisoning and her oldest son is a major alcoholic who we cant even find half the time). You see where im at now..im afraid to hurt her and make her worry, but it might be necessary... tuff love?

    I dont think hes in any serious danger at the moment. the fact that he texted me and told me he did it, and the fact he took the time to eat some mixed nuts before he did it makes me feel like it was just a loss of control and a cry for help. who stops to have a snack before killing themselves?

    send us some good energy will ya?
     
  7. jumbuli55

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    He should be ok unless you are out to poison him and later claim it was an alcohol abuse related suicide , while using this thread as your alibi :D



    On a serious note, may be you should have him watch the comedy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Closet_(film)
     
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